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    Default High km HDi - ok or avoid?

    Thoughts please on the 1.6HDi (DV6TED4) engine with 150k kms on the clock.

    If maintained properly is there still a lot of life left?

    Common issues?

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    I don't know that particular engine, but my 406 HDi has done 470 000 km and I still don't consider that high kilometres.

    At 150 000, I'd say it is barely run in.

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    Agreed, my 2 litre HDi had over 450,000kms on it when I sold it, and it still went like the day it was made.
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    Problem is guys your talking about 406's. He's is a 1.6 HDi so it must a 307 and the biggest problem with that engine is that its attached to a 307.

    Shouldn't say that. I wish all my customers drove 307's
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Problem is guys your talking about 406's. He's is a 1.6 HDi so it must a 307 and the biggest problem with that engine is that its attached to a 307.

    Shouldn't say that. I wish all my customers drove 307's
    Yes, it's a 307 we're looking at (later T6 type...)
    (& keeping the 306 for when the 307 is not running.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    Problem is guys your talking about 406's. He's is a 1.6 HDi so it must a 307 and the biggest problem with that engine is that its attached to a 307.

    Shouldn't say that. I wish all my customers drove 307's
    I said in my post that I don't know that particular engine.
    And he asked about the engine, not the rest of the car. I answered what I could.
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    Proper maintenance is the key with this engine.

    Check by who and how often its been serviced. Check receipts for parts and work done.

    At these km's you should start looking at the timing belt and make sure the eolys fluid has been topped up for the FAP system.

    I have this engine in our 207 SW and its been great apart from the time the dealer got his hands on it. I do everything myslef now and no problems.

    Check the following;

    Depolution faults on the display
    Wrong oil type or old oil which will clog up the FAP and egr valve
    Rocker cover CCV valve. [ Likes to throw up a lot if the spring actuator has gone or too much oil in the engine ]
    Turbo. Check shaft for play. There should be none
    Check for loud rattle from gerabox bell end. Fylweehls on these are dual mass and the springs can go if abused.

    A great test is to reset the economy computer and if you are not able to achieve under 5L/100km in 3 kms of careful easy driving [ with AC off and tyres at correct pressure] on a flat road, stay away. This means that the friction in the engine is higher than it shoul be. As an example I can get down to 3.8 on mine but the average is 5.6. Its what you can get down to that is the indicator.

    If the car / engine has been well maintained and the owner has a good driving technique the engine will last double that at least.

    Based on the km it sounds like its spent most of its time doing longer runs wich is a good thing.

    Future costs would mainly be the cam belt, unless already done and the Clutch. Possibly an EGR valve.

    We use to have a 307 while we were still in the UK and it was a great car and never let us down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 505604 View Post
    I said in my post that I don't know that particular engine.
    And he asked about the engine, not the rest of the car. I answered what I could.
    Yes I know. In my opinion the 406 is the last good Pug. My 2.1 diesel has done 500,000 and from what I see and hear around the trade until they build something better I'll be hanging on to it. I think I'll be keeping it a while.
    I certainly wouldn't be replace it with a 307.
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    last good pugs:-
    206
    306
    406
    605
    806
    provided that the AL4 transmission is avoided

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    The 1.6 HDI is good at blowing turbos at low mileages!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselnutjob View Post
    last good pugs:-
    206
    306
    406
    605
    806
    provided that the AL4 transmission is avoided
    nearly right

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    on the 406 front i will give feedback over time
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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    The 1.6 HDI is good at blowing turbos at low mileages!
    You mean the 1.6 THP.... The early models were well known for premature failures.

    If you do not know how to look after a turbo engine properly it will not last as long. That applies to both Diesel and Petrol models.

    I own and service a 1.6 HDi and I know how to look after it. The dealer did not. I now have 54,000km and it runs like a dream.

    I am talking from actual experience.

    These engines are now used in Fords, Volvo's, Mini's and even power large sedans like the Volvo S80 and Peugeot 508. These are used as fleet and rental cars in Europe so what does that tell you....

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    The DV6 engine doesn't often blow it's turbo per se, but owners who do not change the oil often enough are very good at it. The engine is very robust if it is cared for, but doesn't withstand neglect from missed oil changes very well. That's probably the most important thing to check when buying a car with this engine used.

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    I don't regard 150,000 Km as high Km.
    That said, from my limited experience, well maintained, they are good for high Km.

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    Thanks for the advice.

    We did buy a 307HDi (T6) with 150k kms on the clock.
    It does have a full service history (one owner car) so at least we think the oil and filter has been changed when due and with the correct type.

    Only issue is that the diesel additive has run out, so it needs a refill which is happening today.
    As we bought it from a dealer they are doing that at their cost.

    I plan to change the oil/filter at 10k km intervals to keep the oil system fairly clean of carbon.


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    Default "5" Series

    Surely the 505 should be on the list as the last good "5" series

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    "If you do not know how to look after a turbo engine properly it will not last as long. That applies to both Diesel and Petrol models.

    I own and service a 1.6 HDi and I know how to look after it. The dealer did not. I now have 54,000km and it runs like a dream."

    My 2012 508 2.0HDi owners handbook makes no ref to the turbo. Does 'look after' mean oil changes every 10,000 with PSA B71 2290 approved oil, & filter ? and pausing at idle before switching off?

    I only use BP distillate and I guess the Perth dealer will use Total INEO Quartz 5W-30.

    Have I missed something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselfanatic View Post
    My 2012 508 2.0HDi owners handbook makes no ref to the turbo. Does 'look after' mean oil changes every 10,000 with PSA B71 2290 approved oil, & filter ? and pausing at idle before switching off?
    The current petrol turbo models have an additional electric cooling pump that circulates coolant through a turbo cooling tube. It can operate anytime, but most definitely cranks away for some time after shutting the motor off. I would assume the diesels have a similar system, but I'm not sure.

    It can be heard quite easily as a high pitched whine after engine shutdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselfanatic View Post
    " pausing at idle before switching off?

    I only use BP distillate and I guess the Perth dealer will use Total INEO Quartz 5W-30.

    Have I missed something?

    KR.
    Idle before shut down will double the life of the turbo and consequently the engine.

    The other important factor is to let the engine warm up properly before using full throttle.

    Yes, changing the oil and filter on a regular basis with the right oil and filter
    I do mine every 7,500 km after starting off with every 10,000....

    In Europe there are a few 1.6 Hdi's now getting up to 240,000km. I have seen a number of 2007/ 2008 308's with this mileage on autotrader.co.uk [ the equiv of carsales.com ].

    In Paris they are used in the 407 Wagon Taxi's.

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