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    i want to buy a 406, id prefer an automatic but ive heard horror stories regarding the AL4 transmission

    my question/s is, are these stories really true? if so, did the 406 come out with a better automatic transmission? if so, what years did it come out, what was it called and how do i tell the differance?

    thanks in advance

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    Sold a 406 1997 with full leather, 10 stack CD player, sunroof for $400 late last year. This car had been in the family for 13 years and 200,000+ kms. It never skipped a beat and performed like a dream. I upgraded to a 306 GTi6 just for performance but can tell you it's a dream to drive. Although not the most powerful car it was a beaut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mud View Post
    hi all,

    i want to buy a 406, id prefer an automatic but ive heard horror stories regarding the AL4 transmission

    my question/s is, are these stories really true? if so, did the 406 come out with a better automatic transmission? if so, what years did it come out, what was it called and how do i tell the differance?

    thanks in advance
    The D9 models - mid 1999 on have the better transmissions, or rather the better solenoids. However from what I've observed on AF they still seem to have problems.

    I'm told that a lot of the issues come from using the wrong trasmission fluid. Anything other than what Peugeot specify could in time cause it to give problems. I don't think is is necessarily the sole reason however.

    I had a 1997 D8V6 auto which I sold at 160,000 km, which was still working fine. That car is still going 6 years later. I personally don't like to "learning transmissions" and this one of the reasons I sold it - my driving style doesn't suit this type of transmission.

    I expect that the 2001-2003 models would probably be the best bet.
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    Plenty of horror stories as you say and most true. Lots of 406s for sale at present, including a few coupes, for not much due to stuffed autos. Later ones may be slightly better but autos have a life and when issues occur they can cost heaps (I think there is another thread on here about costs for other brands and newer pug autos).

    We have a 406 with an AL4 in the family. Original box chucked it in. Fitted a second hand one which worked for a while and then started to play up. Had the soleniods upgraded and since then it has done about 20,000kms and seems fine (until tomorrow?).

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    I did a lot of research on 406's and, thanks mainly to this site, decided that I would not touch an auto. They have a limited life and most would now be nearing the end. Do yourself a favour and try a manual. The clutch and gears are very light and it's not much more effort than driving an auto (not to mention the peace of mind).
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    hmmmm, maybe i will go for a manual after hearing what you and others say, thanks for that.

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    I am LOVING my D9 HDi manual - with 470 000 + km on the clock.
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    I'm also loving my 400k 406HDi - even more than the 605 I sold to 'rambo. Went to Qld a few weeks ago, and the fuel comsumption reading when we arrived home was 5.2l/100km. It does have a problem with the turbo not cutting in, or not working properly, but it can be lived with if it cant be fixed. I have hopes on that score, but it drives like a 504 at the moment - just a different way of thinking. A bit of a change form the 405 SRDT's I have had recently. I believe that the 406 should feel as least as powerful as the 405.

    Go for a manual , and good luck - a wonderful car.

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    hmmmm, ok this is good info.....im taking notes.

    so the HDI is good for high millage then. would the HDI, being a diesel, have higher maintenance costs then a petrol?

    from what i understand there are two petrol motors, a 4cyl and a V6, who thinks which is better? and when i ask that question i should say that im not looking for outright power, im more interested in economy and easy to drive

    i should also add that i currently have a 504, which apart from rust, is in fantastic condition, its a XN square port motor, 4 speed manual. ive done about 70000 klms in it (its showing 410000 on the clock) and the only times ive ever touched the motor is to check the timing every so often, and change the oil when needed, its never broken down on me and ive never had to go near it with a spanner in anger.

    so ill be comparing my next car (hopefully a 406) to the 504.

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    the V6 isn't a bad engine, not as good as a PRV but it suffices

    the 4 pot isn't a power house and returns fairly good mileage

    there are a few different diesel engines

    the earlier ones were 12 valve and the later were Hdi

    i have a 406 12V wagon that will be on the road soon once i do a few things to it, basically it's going to be a work vehicle but i had the capacity to carry the whole family if need be

    for me the perfect wagon would be a manual V6 but i'm a V6 fan, even though it's the poor cousin of the great PRV6
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    Quote Originally Posted by mud View Post
    hmmmm, ok this is good info.....im taking notes.

    so the HDI is good for high millage then. would the HDI, being a diesel, have higher maintenance costs then a petrol?

    from what i understand there are two petrol motors, a 4cyl and a V6, who thinks which is better? and when i ask that question i should say that im not looking for outright power, im more interested in economy and easy to drive



    so ill be comparing my next car (hopefully a 406) to the 504.
    I can't comment on the petrol motors in the 406.

    The HDi engines are certainly good for high mileages. My routine maintenance is … oil change and oil filter change, both every 20 000km. I've had the car for nearly 3.5 years and done about 115 000 km in that time. Fuel economy has ranged from 4.6 l/100 km to 6.7 l/100 km at an average of 5.2, so if you're after economy, I couldn't recommend against the HDi! Easy to drive? YES! Around town, yes. On the open road, DEFINITELY! As someone said to me when I was looking at buying this car, it is one you'll look for excuses to go for drives in.

    I don't know what things were done to the car before I bought it, but since I've had it, I've had an injection pump failure and some issues with the air bag system - connectors, mainly!

    Is it ever valid and/or wise to compare cars like a 504 and 406?

    Any other questions, feel free to ask.

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    There are two different 4 cyl petrol motors - the older XU10J4R version and the newer EW10J4 model (D9 introduction in 1999). Both are pretty good. The EW10 probably uses less fuel and has marginal increases in power and torque.

    The V6 (which also had a power increase with the D9 version) does not use the AL4, using instead the ZF 4HP20 auto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    There are two different 4 cyl petrol motors - the older XU10J4R version and the newer EW10J4 model (D9 introduction in 1999). Both are pretty good. The EW10 probably uses less fuel and has marginal increases in power and torque.

    The V6 (which also had a power increase with the D9 version) does not use the AL4, using instead the ZF 4HP20 auto.
    The earlier petrol was quite frugal (for a petrol) and we regularly got around 7ltr/100kms on the highway when borrowing my Dad's '97 manual. After 12 years and 130,000kms that car was still as tight as a drum until someone rear-ended it and wrote it off.

    Still one of the quietest cars I've driven with a very nice ride/handling compromise without the fidgetyness that the 407 has.
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    Which oil are you using in your 406 HDI?

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    I know it is Penrite - that's what the mechanic's sticker on the windscreen says. It doesn't say what 'model'. I'll try and contact him this week and find out more info.
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    My 406 has 203,000km on the clock - still always a pleasure to drive.

    Whilst the car is getting on now, and is worth next to nothing second hand. I still can't justify purchasing a new car - as what the 406 does, it does well.

    Get a well maintained example - and it will last forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 505604 View Post
    I am LOVING my D9 HDi manual - with 470 000 + km on the clock.
    Okay I know this is an old thread but do you still have the D9 and how is is going? Mine has just down 350,000 km, 2003 runout model, and I am wondering how long to keep it. It is going like clock work but now needs new shockers on the back. When do more things start to go wrong? it is a manual.

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    Hi Marburg505

    Do you still have the D9? Mine has just turned over 350,000km and I am wondering when to get a another car. Did you have a time when things started to go wrong? Mine, a manual, is going like clockwork at the moment other than I have to change the rear shockers.

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    Replace the shocks - that's straight forward. When more complex things like electrical go wrong then reconsider hanging onto the car. m2cw

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    Agree wholeheartedly
    Mine has 306K and is running beautifully
    Cam belt and water pump done (or redone) at 290K
    Loose contacts on airbag only other fault (easy fix)
    It's also a run out D9 with the 16 inch wheels and extra genuine imitation artificial wood grain trim

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    I just answered my own question
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    the manual versions take the same gearbox as in a 205/405 for the XU and 206 for the EW

    but would it be a simple drop in replacement? or does software or anything like that need a change

    saw one guy here going through what looked like hell to convert his 306 i believe from AL4 to manual
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    I still have my manual D9 - with 561,xxx km on the clock. Mine is a 1999 changeover from D8 model. Leather seats, genuine imitation artificial wood grain trim, no cruise control, auto wipers, 15 inch steel wheels, but I've put alloys on there. Still love driving the car!

    How do you know that the rear shock need replacing? I have some knocking at the rear, but have been told that it is some rubber bushes (which aren't available in Australia) which are in need of replacing. I can buy the complete arm - whatever arm it is - at about $250 each, or I can buy the bushes from the UK for about £10 each + postage.

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