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    Default Getting to know my Ti (again).

    Last Saturday I took my Ti for a 420km drive (BY MYSELF!)

    Parramatta to Kanangra Walls and return 420km.
    - 120km of the Great Western Highway.
    - 60 km of beautiful undulating, windy country bitumen road with about 8 (x2) steep hairpin turns thrown in (sounds like Jenolan Caves road dose it not?).
    - 30 km of sweeping corner dirt (with the odd bloody big hole in it).

    I have not driven my Ti like that or had so much fun for years (I have had the car 38 years now). Strange how in that time you can learn how a car handles and find that everything is in the right place.

    I learned again how to have to pick the places you passed others and how to wind the Ti up and pull out at the correct time and place (with a flash of the lights and my hand near the horn).

    Whilst knocking off a couple of cars and a Tourist bus in one hit I remembered saying to myself, just beside the bus, “this car does not appear to have the power of the 205 or the 407 coupe” (strange that!), I did it safely though, plenty of vision, never used more than 6500 rpm and the warm brakes would have pulled her up if required.

    That car went everywhere that I pointed it, you could cut the corners right over to the edge of the tar and flog through the big holes without thinking, “well here goes a tyre side wall and/or a rim”.
    Big holes, NO probs, nothing throws it off line.

    The Ti lays over to about 10 degrees in corners then goes no further and grips all the way through. If it oversteers you just ease up a bit.

    I peeled a bit of old Michelin rubber off the rears going up through the hairpins.

    The rattly 21 year old adjustable Koni let go just before getting back onto the Highway (never mind nothing should go rusty under the front mudguard now).

    I have learned what driving is about again, it is not driving an overpowered front wheel drive car that you are not sure of which way it might point if you enter a corner too fast or lift off and hit a big pot hole mid corner.

    When Peugeot build their last rear wheel drive it was a SAD day!!!

    I think I will drive the 205 and the coupe in reverse from now on!

    And I have heard people say that 504s were not much chop!!!

    I can ensure you that not many cars gave the Ti too many problems back in the early seventies. I have noticed that the odd Toyota Starlet blows it off at the lights now, though I’ll bet they can’t keep up for long.

    This is the most spirited I have driven the Ti for about 35 years and I was by myself.

    WOW makes me want to do it again!

    What happened to those road signs with the diagonal slash in a circle?

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    Mate, you've got me all revved up! I'm already planning trips to get to know my TI a LOT better in July when I get my licence!

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    Heartwarming story.

    There's too few tales of driving fun in this cotton wool nanny age.
    There is no substitute for a long distance blat, and it is a great way to learn / teach a P plater about sustained concentration, judgement and road safety.

    People wonder why I volunteer to do big drives to pick up friends who would otherwise have to catch a bus or train ... Bigrr tells it like it is.


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    Great story!

    I think we are sometimes too focused on late model cars and forget the charisma and pure driving pleasure of the older models. The 504Ti is one of my favourite Peugeots. When you have driven one you may well wonder why did they bother even making the carby version.

    You must be pleased that you kept the Ti for all these years.

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    i do miss having a TI at times

    the only 504 to own would be either a TI or a PRV6 powered one

    the carby cars in comparison just don't cut it

    the only thing better in RWD than the 504 is of course it's big brother, the 604

    a 604 in manual form is a great car and gives a TI a real run for it's money
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    Last Saturday I took my Ti for a 420km drive (BY MYSELF!)
    how were you allowed out by yourself ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    how were you allowed out by yourself ???

    The Ti is not air conditioned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    i do miss having a TI at times

    the only 504 to own would be either a TI or a PRV6 powered one

    the carby cars in comparison just don't cut it

    the only thing better in RWD than the 504 is of course it's big brother, the 604

    a 604 in manual form is a great car and gives a TI a real run for it's money

    Pugrambo,

    I did this trip on one tank of fuel and there is still some left, surely a 604 would have had to stop a coupe of times for a drink, and then the Ti would have caught up!
    Present fleet:-
    Peugeot 93' 205 Gti 16v
    Peugeot 73' 504 Ti from new
    Peugeot 08' 407 Hdi Coupe from new

    Previous fleet:-
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    Peugeot 92' 205 Gti
    Renault 72' 16TS from new
    Renault 69' 10
    Renault 71' 10s
    Renault 68' 10 from new

    "Be reasonable do it my way!"


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    Ahh... brings back memories. The Awakino Gorge in my teal blue 504 during the mid 80's. Heaven. What real driving is all about!



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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    The Ti is not air conditioned!
    Hmmm. Must remember to rip mine out before I get it back on the road again. My GTI is better with only one handbrake, the one I can control

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    the carby cars in comparison just don't cut it
    They do cut it - just not in comparison.

    I really enjoyed all three of my 504s, including the 1.8 litre one. But I especially enjoyed the LTI. Best of all when it was going properly.

    Cheers,
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    Previous cars: 1965 Peugeot 404; 1972 Renault 16TS; 1970 Peugeo 504 1800; 1978 Peugeot 504 GL; 1976 Peugeot 504 LTI; 1984 Peugeot 505 Familiale; 1982 Peugeot 604 (converted to TD) 1999 Peugeot 306 Cabriolet

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    This certainly makes me want to get my TI on the road! Great write-up. It reminds me of a great drive I had in my first 504, when I was still getting to know it. It was a standard 1977 carby model. My two brothers and I went away for a bike-riding trip to Apollo Bay. The bit I remember best is when we went for a drive along the Great Ocean Road west of Apollo Bay, where the road goes inland and snakes through the bush. The corners here are more open and sweeping than the coastal section of the GOR, although there are some tighter ones too. I remember the way the 504 carved up the corners, there was bodyroll but it was all beautifully balanced, I could place the car just right thanks to the precise steering, and the performance on the open road at speeds above 90 km/h or so seemed just effortless. Overtaking was a breeze, just get it wound up right as BIGRR said with the TI.

    On the return trip we had some sports bike behind us and he seemed to be content to stay there for quite a while rather than overtake. Maybe he was quite amused watching this funny old car being whipped along!

    I've had very little experience with TIs, most of the 504s I've driven have been carby cars, except for my 504 GTI of course. I've certainly read lots of praise for the TI though. When I fix mine up I certainly will be keeping it standard except for the 5 speed gearbox and maybe a couple of other minor items - but I do want to experience what an unmodified 504 can do again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 505604 View Post
    They do cut it - just not in comparison.

    I really enjoyed all three of my 504s, including the 1.8 litre one. But I especially enjoyed the LTI. Best of all when it was going properly.

    Cheers,
    Andrew
    I have fond memories of my 1.8L 504. Yes, underpowered, but somehow very pleasant to drive. Maybe it was the spring rates or something. The engine always seemed smoother than the 2L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    Pugrambo,

    I did this trip on one tank of fuel and there is still some left, surely a 604 would have had to stop a coupe of times for a drink, and then the Ti would have caught up!
    The 604 I have will do 420km on one tank or 55 liters doing 100-120kph on a trip all day with the air on!

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    It's been about 29 years since I've been for a ride in a Ti. Long family drives in that car were a difficult affair. When a parent needed a break, or the dog needed to be let out for a call of nature, the other parent would have to take over and keep the car in motion, driving repeatedly around the block. Bringing the 504Ti to a halt resulted in me throwing an unbearable tantrum from the back seat.

    These days people need to entertain their screaming kids with DVD players, games, food and other rubbish on drives longer than 50km. Maybe they should just buy a 504? As a baby/small child I criss-crossed the European continent with absolute delight in the mighty Ti.

    BIGRR, it's good to read you were able to have an entertaining drive. With the gf beside me, I'm not allowed to push my car to a modest 30% of its capabilities in country road corners. I need to slow RIGHT down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ810 View Post

    BIGRR, it's good to read you were able to have an entertaining drive. With the gf beside me, I'm not allowed to push my car to a modest 30% of its capabilities in country road corners. I need to slow RIGHT down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ810 View Post

    BIGRR, it's good to read you were able to have an entertaining drive. With the gf beside me, I'm not allowed to push my car to a modest 30% of its capabilities in country road corners. I need to slow RIGHT down.
    I was not speeding, I have never taken the Ti over 65! (Though I have just discovered that the speedo is on the left!)
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    Renault 72' 16TS from new
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    Renault 71' 10s
    Renault 68' 10 from new

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    I was not speeding, I have never taken the Ti over 65! (Though I have just discovered that the speedo is on the left!)
    And here is the picture I meant to add!
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    I have had several ti/s in the past .The first was a 69 1800 injection i bought in London in 73 It was used for the 69 rac rally then returned to standard and used as a company car by Peugeot uk before i bought it cheaply . It travelled all over Europe from the sahara desert in Moroco to the arctic circle before i brought it to Aus . A few years later it was getting a bit tired and i bought a 2l ti which was more powerfull and smoother [also an imported model] the early car had much better quality velour seats and the sunroof had proper wheels inside ,not the plastic slides of the later car .The economy was fantastic at the time and they were reliable apart from needing plugs often until i advanced the timing a bit .I saw the early car a few years after i sold it and it was full of rust .I have had 2 cabriolet ti/s since ,the one in the 80/s i fitted a v6 motor which had slightly more performance but less economy .but the one i have now i will keep original

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Chisholm View Post
    I have fond memories of my 1.8L 504. Yes, underpowered, but somehow very pleasant to drive. Maybe it was the spring rates or something. The engine always seemed smoother than the 2L.
    Maybe it was the special French seats (with the headrests recessed into the seat back)?
    But yes, I agree that the engine did seem smoother than the 2.0 litre. I'm sure we didn't get an injected version of that. It would have been a good engine, I suspect.

    Cheers,
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    Previous cars: 1965 Peugeot 404; 1972 Renault 16TS; 1970 Peugeo 504 1800; 1978 Peugeot 504 GL; 1976 Peugeot 504 LTI; 1984 Peugeot 505 Familiale; 1982 Peugeot 604 (converted to TD) 1999 Peugeot 306 Cabriolet

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    No car since the RWD Peugeots 504 has had as comfortable seats....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Tippett View Post
    No car since the RWD Peugeots 504 has had as comfortable seats....
    Unfortunately the seats we got were no where near as good, even the early ones made in the same style as the French seats were too soft..
    In my opinion the best seats ever were the series 1 505 GTi seats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    Unfortunately the seats we got were no where near as good, even the early ones made in the same style as the French seats were too soft..
    In my opinion the best seats ever were the series 1 505 GTi seats.
    Graham
    In NZ we had the French seats and they were sensational. Everyone who rode in the back of a 504 raved about the comfort and the fronts were awesome too. And they lasted for ages without sagging out. Biggest problem was they got a lot of wear on the side squab from entry/exit because of the excellent lateral support.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    In NZ we had the French seats and they were sensational. Everyone who rode in the back of a 504 raved about the comfort and the fronts were awesome too. And they lasted for ages without sagging out. Biggest problem was they got a lot of wear on the side squab from entry/exit because of the excellent lateral support.
    I had a set of French rear seats and yes they were sensational.
    In contrast the 1976 local rears were appalling, you were forced to sit in a reclining position and the back rest was hard and unsupporting so you swayed around from side to side in that uncomfortable position, Every now and again you would drag yourself upright to talk to the people in the front who were so far away.
    Amazing how two seats that look the same could be so different!

    Graham

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    I drove two of my late Dad's 504s when I was a teenager in the late 1970s and they were GREAT seats, front and rear. Too soft? No way!!

    Too soft for today's safety standards, however...
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