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    Most reports now indicate that the new 208 Gti will be shown at the Geneva Motor Show this March and will have two power output options just like the 205 Gti had. The Entry Level will be the 184 Hp 1.6T engine and the more powerful version will have the 202 Hp 1.6 from the RCZ.
    Where the 208 will score is the loss of over 120kg compared to the 207 Gti and the wheels at each corner with noticably less overhang, shorter and smaller overall which all shows promise of great handling and 205 Gti "Chuckability".

    One thing I hope Peugeot do not use on the 208 Gti is the electric power steering...

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    The attached article is in French but the picture of the Gti looks good.

    What do you think ?

    http://www.turbo.fr/actualite-automo...ti-ressembler/

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    If it looks that good - i'll be surprised. I'd consider buying one!

    Every GTI after the 205 has been pretty lame.
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    The 208 has shorter overhangs than the 207 (and is lower), but has the same length wheel base. It's nice to know that it will be lighter though, the 207 is a bit of porker, though you don't really notice the weight so much with the petrol turbos.

    I would expect the power steering to be electric, it's the norm these days with small cars, even your RenaultSport Clio's and Meganes have it.

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    I wonder if I'll be able to rent one when I'm in France in May. They gave me a 207 diesel last time.
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    Ugly. Looks like a Kia/Toyota/Holden (pick one). All hatches these days look the same...

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    Looks excellent if it looks just like that when it comes out and drives good, I will be more than likely buying one providing its under $40k...

    Gotta put my 1 pug gti plates on somthing...!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gezza View Post

    Like the comments on this link I agree that 208 pictured will prbably be the 208 Allure with the 150 THP engine... Its not a Gti

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    Quote Originally Posted by gezza View Post
    In the first article they say that it MIGHT look like this and they go on explaining that these are not real photos but the work of Auto Express graphics experts.
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    Well it will be intersting to see how it comes out and what price??...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    What do you think ?
    That we didn't need to start a 2nd thread in a week with the same AutoExpress renditions?

    It's great that the 208 will be lighter than the 207 - yet I still haven't seen one credible report that the GTi version will exist, sadly. I hope it does.

    Here's a french site with some interesting spy shots (along with even more renditions) of an unbadged 3 dr version with some very small exhaust tips - see how small the car seems to be next to a 5 dr 207.

    French 208 RC page

    In the meantime, 208 production officially commenced at Poissy on 27 January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    That we didn't need to start a 2nd thread in a week with the same AutoExpress renditions?

    It's great that the 208 will be lighter than the 207 - yet I still haven't seen one credible report that the GTi version will exist, sadly. I hope it does.
    Seriously ? A 208 Gti is a given.

    Mark my words, Peugeot will not drop the Gti after so many years of success. That would be like BMW dropping the M...

    There will be Diesel variants, a Wagon, a CC and a city Hybrid. So plenty to look forward to....

    One thing which I did notice on the picture was the discreet Gti badge on the rear roof pillars a la 205 Gti style which I suggested would be a good idea on a previous thread. I hope that this will be present on the production model.

    The Geneva Motor Show is not that far away so if we do not get confirmation before that's when it will happen.

    I would really like to know when the 208 and the Gti will be released in Oz. So I am sure we will see and welcome plenty more "New" threads on the 208 subject

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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    Seriously ? A 208 Gti is a given.
    I guess you may have forgotten what Peugeot UK's marketing boss said in 2009:
    “For us, the GTI concept is dead,” says Peugeot marketing director Christian Stein. “We will move away from hot hatches towards premium sports coupes. The GTI means a lot to English people but it is time to move on.”
    Thankfully, this fellow has since moved on from Peugeot (now at SEAT) but I'm yet to see any countering of the statement from anyone at Peugeot since then.
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    It's a shame Peugeot dropped the ball in this department. Renault certainly didn't, they have the Clio 200 Cup.

    The red 208 GTi in those spy shots doesn't look too bad. Now if they could only give it an engine and handling to match, I might be tempted...
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    The 208 gti IS going to happen...

    Here are some pictures of the interior (article is in spanish)
    http://www.autosblog.com.ar/2011/11/...e-regreso.html

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    That's not the GTi interior, it's the standard 208, of which there are more pics here:

    http://www.themhshow.com/new-peugeot-208-now-available

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    Here is an interesting article from Top Gear. The image is an impression of wht the 208 Gti may look like but the recent words from the Peugeot Boss, Jean-Marc Gales, all point to a strong GTI future.

    "Design boss Gilles Vidal actually reckons the front of the new GTi will share some of the lovely stuff used for the fantastic SR-1 roadster concept unveiled last year. "We know we can make the new philosophy work with the GTi quite easily", he said."

    http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/n...ing-2011-11-02

    Peugeot is listening !

    Shame on you Non Believers !

    If the GTI looks as good as the impressions and indications I will get my Cheque book out, as long as its around $40K


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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    but the recent words from the Peugeot Boss, Jean-Marc Gales, all point to a strong GTI future.
    Jean-Marc Gales (head of brands at PSA) resigned last month

    Seriously, I'd be more than happy if the company makes a 208 GTi - it's just a model they've been moving away from for the last 2 years or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    Jean-Marc Gales (head of brands at PSA) resigned last month

    Seriously, I'd be more than happy if the company makes a 208 GTi - it's just a model they've been moving away from for the last 2 years or so.
    Both design boss Gilles Vidal and Jean-Marc Gales were quoted discussing the 208 GTI design and the GTI future in 2011

    I really can not see any reason or logic why Peugeot would shelf the GTI at such a late stage of development.

    So on what basis have you concluded that the 208 GTI is a model that Peugeot is moving away from in the last two years when the detailed and positive comments were only made last year ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    Both design boss Gilles Vidal and Jean-Marc Gales were quoted discussing the 208 GTI design and the GTI future in 2011

    I really can not see any reason or logic why Peugeot would shelf the GTI at such a late stage of development.

    So on what basis have you concluded that the 208 GTI is a model that Peugeot is moving away from in the last two years when the detailed and positive comments were only made last year ?
    See above, Christain Stein's statement widely reported at the time, which didn't go over well with anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    See above, Christain Stein's statement widely reported at the time, which didn't go over well with anyone.
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    Yes, I have read the statement but this was made back in 2010.

    There have been many conflicting reports in the last two years but the most recent seem to be positive.

    I suppose a relative question would be how successful would Peugeot be if it was not for the GTI... The 205 was a turning point in Peugeot's history and the GTI was the asspirational model in the range that I am sure was responsible for many a 205 sale and consequent other Peugeot models.

    The GTI concept works very well for VW so for Peugeot to throw in the towel after 28 years of the GTI would be very foolish in my opinion.

    In any case, the 208 is really the best candidate for a GTI in a long time. It is reported to weigh in at 1100kg, its smaller outside and bigger inside. The perfomance and fun factor, lower emissions, due to the lower weight, and a good design [ similar to what we have seen in the afformentioned articles] would, without doubt, turn it into a sales success.

    Copues may be fashionable again, like they were in the 80's but the GTI has stood the test of time. For VW / Audi the Golf GTI outstrips their coupe sales....

    The only thing that may happen is that its introduction may be delayed due to the Global economy. This is what Peugeot is most likely fearing.

    However, as someone famous once said, "History is kind to the party that writes it"

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    Yes, the 205 was a very good model for Peugeot - it sold 5 million or so and saved the company. It wasn't the 205 GTi that did it alone though - how many of those 205s were GTi? I'm sure much sales success was due to the high profile WRC campaigns of the time, but it was a great design.

    The 206 sold over 7 million, yet there was constant whinging at the GTi and GTi180 model. It sold regardless though, as it was a very popular size and weight - even in Australia.

    The 207, in relation to the previous two, has not been such a good seller for Peugeot. It was bigger, heavier and not as popular. The GTi version was not particularly well-loved in the UK and they appeared to experience lots of issues with the engine, in particular.

    Hopefully the 208 will bring its new-found litheness to the class and once again be a good seller for Peugeot. It's a nice-looking machine.
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    The GTI concept works very well for VW so for Peugeot to throw in the towel after 28 years of the GTI would be very foolish in my opinion.
    They did that two years ago, remember? I'm pretty sure most people thought it was foolish (I certainly did) and it certainly hasn't appeared to work well for them.

    Peugeot as a brand are all about CO2 and fuel efficiency these days - something people in Australia really don't care about with their cars. No one that buys a VW GTI cares about it, surely - it's all about power. One in four Golfs sold in Australia is a GTI, according to many reports I've read.

    With the Polo GTI (a more valid comparison to a 208 GTi, really), it's all about power and a very cheap price. It's fuel efficiency is also very good.

    Hopefully Peugeot can see their way through that and still produce a hero model like the GTi.
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    Which one would I buy?

    None, because Peugeot does not have the couilles to sell its cars in North America.
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    I personally don't think there is any chance that Peugeot will bring to market a proper GTI. Different philosophy, different economic times, different focus and it had it's chance to disprove the doubters with the RCZ. And look what we got there, an old mans limp wristed cruiser not even a 2 litre motor ! Even the famed handling / ride advantage is gone...... : )

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