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    hi guys , i have seen some 205s in picture gallerys with rear camber.

    how do i do it?

    this is a teen speaking so i wan the car to look real sporty for friends and general public, ahaah

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    The camber is fixed due to the trailing arm setup.

    You can get different arms from other models (306, 309, ZX,etc..) that will change the toe and camber. If you do a search i posted up a listing of them all i stole from 205 GTI Drivers.

    I've seen refer to "SBC negative camber stub axle" but can't locate SBC on the net to check them out.

    You can't run massive rear camber because the wheel will rub the inner arch especially with 6.5 inch wheels on there.

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    i really thought i had to convert it to rear coilovers ahah.

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    There are a bunch I people converting the rear to coilovers for better rear wheel control / travel.

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    Heat the trailing arms up half way along with an oxy torch and bend to desired angle(s).

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    Hope he doesn't take you seriously!
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    I think most of the 205's you see with negative camber are the ones that require a rear beam rebuild due to worn bearings and worn away trailing arm shafts. (see my last post)....

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    You could try this company in the UK-Bridgecraft Engineering Services and Products. Have a read here-

    http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=144900

    of the services they offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peujohn View Post
    Hope he doesn't take you seriously!
    Why? That's how Parry car was done. Four owners (three are still active AF members) over 15+ years have belted that rear end around Australian circuits. Here it is when I owned it.
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    And what was the verdict Peter?
    Does a bit of negative camber on the rear imoprove handling?
    How much neg camber would you recommend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    Why? That's how Parry car was done. Four owners (three are still active AF members) over 15+ years have belted that rear end around Australian circuits. Here it is when I owned it.
    I actually thought you were tongue in cheek! Heating up and bending suspension components doesn't sound like a good idea to me. But there you go.
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    The camber Peter is talking about is 1.5deg neg, dont know how they got it that even, but the toe is way out. Either way the car on the track is so planted in the rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parry View Post
    The camber Peter is talking about is 1.5deg neg, dont know how they got it that even, but the toe is way out. Either way the car on the track is so planted in the rear.
    Thanks for that Parry.
    Any problem with tyre scrubbing or uneven wear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 504-504-504 View Post
    Thanks for that Parry.
    Any problem with tyre scrubbing or uneven wear?

    Paul

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    Our race car is down to 750kg so the there is not much weight over the rear wheels I hardly get any wear on the rear let alone uneven wear. The rears down last long as I normally swap to the front when the fronts wear out.

    I am gathering you have a street car, I would recomend other suspension changes to the rear before you think of rear camber. You need to remove the 205 tendancy to liftoff oversteer as there is no way to catch it. Solid rear mounts and stiffer arb and torsion is the way to go.
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    + 1 on the solid mounts.

    My 205 is a daily/road car and the solid mounts are great


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    +2 on the solid mounts.

    You can fit a shim to the stub axle which gives camber. Its the same way the Clio Cup runs rear camber

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    I have run against parry and peters cars.

    My car has a standard setup at the back with extra track and solid mounts. They haven't caught my times yet. Why change something that works ok?
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    11.5
    11.8
    12.1

    I sense there's going to be some great racing this year.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    11.5
    11.8
    12.1

    I sense there's going to be some great racing this year.......
    Peter, I dispute you 11.8, there is no record of it on Natsoft.

    Adrian official Natsoft best is 11.6

    I am running this Sunday, lets see if records can be broken with an 8v!
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    Adrian how/why the extra track? im about to rebuild a rear beam for mine and thinking of using s16 trailing arms i have to gain a slightly wider track.

    it would be mainly for asthetics and having the wheel fill the guard better, but i have also heard there are other benefits like more toe and more camber
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    Quote Originally Posted by parry View Post
    Peter, I dispute you 11.8, there is no record of it on Natsoft.
    You're right there is none. It was 12.7........

    http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re...0/2008.WAKE.S1

    and something else I found in the archives......

    http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re.../2007.ECR.S1.Y

    I guess it's a bit like fishing. I thought this was in the 25's too.....

    http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re...3/2008.ORAN.SS
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    Quote Originally Posted by parry View Post
    Our race car is down to 750kg so the there is not much weight over the rear wheels I hardly get any wear on the rear let alone uneven wear. The rears down last long as I normally swap to the front when the fronts wear out.

    I am gathering you have a street car, I would recomend other suspension changes to the rear before you think of rear camber. You need to remove the 205 tendancy to liftoff oversteer as there is no way to catch it. Solid rear mounts and stiffer arb and torsion is the way to go.
    Yes Parry its mainly a street car but I would like to do a couple of sprints and hillclimbs (not much available up here).
    Its a GTi Mi16 with eibach front springs with the rear lowered to match. Koni red all round but standard front anti-roll bar and std torsion bars and anti-roll bar at the back.
    Not game to push it hard enough to get liftoff oversteer on the road but it tends to understeer on full power corners.
    With the modifications you suggest should any changes be made to the front Anti-roll bar or would that complicate the matter?
    Could be up for a rear beam rebuild so will go for solid mounts at that time.

    What amazes me is the agility of the Red Si automatic I have.
    Fitted it out with pepperpots with some rather ordinary tyres but it handles beautifully, very neutral.
    No way I will even approach its limit on the road. Obviously the Gti can corner harder but the Si just feels so much more controllable.

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    The extra rear track was achieved with spacers between the hubs and the wheels. Loger wheel studs were used. Think it was 25 to 30mm.

    To be fair Peter and i have not run at wakefield since it has been resurfaced and some of the ripple strips altered. Thats worth over a second.

    Slicks are worth another 2 plus seconds.

    Your 8 valve times are quick. It will be an interesting year.
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    I was reminded that the 11.8 was at a CLA Training day, unofficial of course. You can also get a slightly wider track and toe in by using 306 trailing arms. Of course when using the oxy you can dial in what ever toe in, camber and track width you want.

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