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    Hi Guys

    I have an S3 205 GTI that I'm planning on tarting up and doing an engine conversion on.
    I would like to loose the PAS. Is it a simple case of binning the old system and installing a manual rack or is there more to it? Would I be best using an S1/S2 rack or is the Si the same too?

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    I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, other than for racing. Even then, I've left it in on my race car as it's so good. Most people want to upgrade their early cars to PAS.

    The lock-lock ratio is much better in the PAS rack. If you remove the assistance, steering will be a lot heavier at lower speeds but still drivable. If you wish to proceed you'll need to make/buy some bungs to block off the inlet/outlets on the rack, in addition to removing the ram.

    Why don't you want PAS?

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    My plan (long term) is to go with forced induction on the engine conversion so I'm thinking the extra space will be handy. The weight saved is also a bonus. I'll be ditching the AC also along with putting the battery in the boot.
    I've had a GTI with a manual rack and whilst it was heavy when parking on the road it felt great.

    So, I don't need a new rack. I can just adapt the PAS rack.

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    That would be one scarey car to drive.
    All that power and a heavy steering which equates to slow compensation to torque steer.
    My S1 Mi16 Gti has non power assisted steering and the heaviness of the steering detracts from the driveability I feel.
    The Si with power steer and pepperpots is so much more chuckable.
    If you remove the power assistance from your present rack you will have even heavier steering than a S1 GTi because the PAS rack is quicker (ie less turns lock to lock).

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    Fit an electric pump if space is an issue. Cam85 had a PAS rack without assistance. I drove it and it was ok, but I prefer it with assistance. Ask him for his opinion.

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    Wider wheels as you will probably get if you want to race on tarmac won't help with steering either. I too am looking at going power steering, and my car is just a bog stock early GTI. I do have have the wider 15" wheels/tires off an S3 so that makes a bit of difference, not much but I am probably getting old too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDJ View Post
    Hi Guys

    I have an S3 205 GTI that I'm planning on tarting up and doing an engine conversion on.
    I would like to loose the PAS.
    Why would you want to loosen the power steering? Perhaps you could put a kit through it replacing seals etc but it wouldn't loosen it? Seems very odd?

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    I think he meant losing rather than loosening....

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    The weight and feel I got through the non pas 205 was great. Parking took a bit more effort but once you got going I thought it was better than with the PAS. It's only going to be used to blast around the Old Pacific HWY, playing with Power Rangers on bikes.
    I have another S3 with a moon roof which I plan to keep standard and restore so the other one I can play about with more.
    I'm still in the "thinking in the bath" stage as I still have to finish my Moke off. Once that is all done though I'll be looking at starting the modded pug.

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    My thinking was whatever I do space will be tight and losing the PAS will free up some ever valuable space. Plus I liked not having the PAS on my previous 205.

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    A worked S16 with a GTi6 inlet manifold would be my pick. Best kW/$.

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    I loved my mi16'd 205 with no power steer until parking. I would have it for that and that alone.
    Pas isn't that much less feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karoshi View Post
    I loved my mi16'd 205 with no power steer until parking. I would have it for that and that alone.
    Pas isn't that much less feel.
    Parking won't be an issue.


    In the moon roof 205 I must have dont less than 200 kms in the past 12 months.
    The amount of times I'd have to get the spinach out is negligible. New baby's don't give you much time for cars.


    I suppose an S16 engine would be cheaper and easier to come across. The money saved could go towards go faster bits

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    I beg your pardon, i wasnt paying enough attention and I should have read your post more thoroughly.
    At high speed I would be quite interested in the feel of a non Pas s3 rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lozenge View Post
    I think he meant losing rather than loosening....
    Oh, I see

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