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    406 SV servicing costs?

    As some of you know, my parents are currently looking at replacing their rather unreliable 1994 Magna V6. Well I caught dad looking at 2000 model Holden Acclaim/Berlinas! I thought 'this can not do!', and what did I find for the same price? A 1999 406 SV with 68,821km .

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    His main concern is that it will be an expensive car to run. Don't a few people on this board have V6 406s? If so, can you give us an idea on servicing costs? We're used to paying around $500 per service for the Magna (due to something always needing replacing).

    The 406 seems to have all the goodies - leather, sunroof, abs, 4 airbags etc.

    I think I might have more luck if I just get him (and mum) to drive it .
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    There's no reason the 406 V6 should be more expensive to service than the XM.

    A normal service for it was $200 - $300. I'd expect a bit less due to the lack of 'rising' abilities in the 406.

    You sure you can't find a manual Nick?

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    Peugeot's menu priced services:

    Minor services - $305
    Major services - $775

    Cambelt change - $690

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    can someone tell me why a cambelt change in a 406 is $300 more in a 406SV than say a 306 ?
    either
    a - very expensive belt
    b - 4hrs more labour to change it ?
    that's if you find a dealer that charges $75/hr
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    Nick,

    Why not ask Dave Cavanagh at French Connection?
    He's an aussiefrogger, in your area, & does a lot of work on Pugs.
    You can E-mail him, give him a call or see if he answers your posting. Being at the coal face he should be able to give you some idea as should Simon althogh being in SA he's a bit too far away to patronise from your point of view.

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    Bear in mind we're talking about a V6, not an inline 4, so we're dealing with two banks.

    You also change the belt in a 306 more often.

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    sorry
    i still can't see $300+ in the belt change
    have they got 2 belts ?
    if so that accounts for $100 over a 306 but still leaves $200 extra for labour !!!!
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    Pug307:
    Peugeot's menu priced services:

    Minor services - $305
    Major services - $775

    Cambelt change - $690
    This is a D8 I believe. That's what it looked like from the (rather small) photo anyway. I'm assuming your minor and major service costs are based on the newer 20,000 services?
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    That's correct.

    Using a 40k period

    D8 = 3x minor services ($205) + 1x major service ($695) = $1,310.

    D9 = 1x minor service ($305) + 1x major service ($775) = $1,080

    As a rule of thumb, I'd add 10% to these prices in real life for a brand new car still under warranty. Remember, consumables like brake components are not covered by menu priced servicing, and modern Euro cars love chewing up pads and discs. You'd be well advised to factor in more for an older car.

    pugrambo, I don't have the manual around, but I remember the V6's 120k service as being fairly long.

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    Nick,

    Why not ask Dave Cavanagh at French Connection?
    He's an aussiefrogger, in your area, & does a lot of work on Pugs.
    You can E-mail him, give him a call or see if he answers your posting. Being at the coal face he should be able to give you some idea as should Simon althogh being in SA he's a bit too far away to patronise from your point of view.

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    French Connection , and Dave, are great , Alan, especially for performance Renaults and SH parts for older French cars. If you want to restore an R8 Gordini to its original stature I can't think of anyone better).

    But they are on the wrong side of town for Nick (and many of the other Melbourne list members). Out near the airport, rather than eastern suburbs.

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    Just thought a price comparison may be some kind of more accurate guide rather than trying to convert from other brands & models. deal

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    nJm:
    As some of you know, my parents are currently looking at replacing their rather unreliable 1994 Magna V6. Well I caught dad looking at 2000 model Holden Acclaim/Berlinas! I thought 'this can not do!', and what did I find for the same price? A 1999 406 SV with 68,821km .

    His main concern is that it will be an expensive car to run. Don't a few people on this board have V6 406s? If so, can you give us an idea on servicing costs? We're used to paying around $500 per service for the Magna (due to something always needing replacing).

    The 406 seems to have all the goodies - leather, sunroof, abs, 4 airbags etc.

    I think I might have more luck if I just get him (and mum) to drive it .
    Can't answer the service costs question, Nick (though I think you should simply ring around a few places to get an estimate - maybe a few non Peugeot places included). You should also get at least a twelve month warranty if you are buying from a dealer.

    Make sure that he factors in depreciation costs too. These will be much lower on the Peugeot than on a Commodore, especially if he tends to keep the vehicle for four or five years. Holdens die in value ( and all too often mechanically) dramatically once they get over 5.

    But the best answer is, as you say, to get him to drive it (especially on a wet road through a few roundabouts, where the commodore may well show of its handling vices quite dramatically ;-)) . There is simply no comparison.

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    Make sure that he factors in depreciation costs too. These will be much lower on the Peugeot than on a Commodore, especially if he tends to keep the vehicle for four or five years. Holdens die in value ( and all too often mechanically) dramatically once they get over 5.
    Ah, good point Rod. The Magna has lost just over 1/2 its value in 3 years .
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    pugrambo, I don't have the manual around, but I remember the V6's 120k service as being fairly long.
    seems a long life for a timing belt
    the 405TD's had a 120k service life on their belts as well but peugeot brought it back to 80k's

    something else i found out the other day and this is a little off the thread but worth looking into as our cars are getting older is that the air bags are to be replaced every 10years but peugeot have now extended this out to 15yrs
    but i ask you
    who in the next couple of years with a 15yr old pug is going to spend $2000+ to have air bags replaced
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    Ah mothers, gotta love them.

    Mum has said:
    1. We're not spending that much! (re the 406 SV)
    2. The 406 is very nice looking

    So dad is off to test drive a couple of 406 ST's over the coming weeks (compared to the 850 and Passats at similar prices, it has quite a bit of an advantage).

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    You might find theUK info available at <a href="http://www.carsource.co.uk/guide?ID=44TJB533L6G00B7&article_id=7100192" target="_blank">http://www.carsource.co.uk/guide?ID=44TJB533L6G00B7&article_id=7100192</a> useful , Nick

    Its UK oriented , of course, but most of it translates apart from prices and the like, of course.

    Get him to take mum along for the ride maybe? After sitting in a Magna for all those years she is bound to like it!

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    Thanks for all the info Rod.

    Mum loves going in the 505 (although has never driven it as it is a manual), and hopefully the same attributes - soft seats and suspension and a little french flair - will be apparant in the 406 .

    Only thing is I've seen so much on the D9 on the web, it is a pitty there aren't any used going around down here (at least not for our price range). The updated dash looks really nice.
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    Ok, an update!

    The Magna's auto has just started developing a problem - shifts are getting slower and more juddery. Also, it takes a while to engage Drive after using Reverse.

    Another catalyst is that the Magna's rego runs out in 3 weeks time...

    We are going to look at some D8's on the weekend. We've found a D9 up in Ballarat with only 51,000km. While it is about $8k more than the others, its low kms and the fact it would have cheaper servicing costs is an added incentive (as are the 4 airbags it has).
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    Ballarat is often a good place to buy Peugeots. It had a good dealer rep for many years and the cars have usually been looked after. Bought an immaculate 504 for a friend from the previous dealer there a couple of years back.

    If you are looking for a good price and aren't fazed by travel it's worth considering Sydney too. Prices there are usually at least $2000 to $3000 less for the same vehicle (often with less k's on the clock too) than you will find in Melbourne. Check out Http://www.drive.com.au to see what is available. With the price of airfares these days it can be well worth it.

    Magna transmissions, I gather, are hideously expensive to repair though, so some quick work might be needed.

    Not sure what sort of price / age equation you are looking at, but Regans had a nice China Blue SV auto (Series 1 though) for under $30,000 last time I was there.

    There was a blue 98 ST with sun roof and fairly low k's somehwere near the bay a couple of weeks back too (straightway Peugeot or whatever its called now????).

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    Yeah, we are looking at no more than $30k. They'd much prefer it if it was cheaper, but if it means getting that much of a newer car with low kms it will be ok.
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    So dad is off to test drive a couple of 406 ST's over the coming weeks (compared to the 850 and Passats at similar prices, it has quite a bit of an advantage).
    Nick, are you referring to the Volvo 850? If so, you may know I'm also looking at the 406 for my wife, but I'll admit, the Volvo 850R looks pretty good (at least spec wise). 185kW 2.3 litre 5cyl turbo, 6.7 to 100, 250 top speed, ABS, leather, front+side airbags, excellent CD, cruise, climate, traction control, LSD, 17" 5 spokers. 1997 models of the 406ST and 850R are similarly priced.

    Yeah, I know, the ride's crap...

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    Really?

    I've seen 850Rs selling for around $30k, whereas 97 406s are usually just around $20k.

    Mind you, there is a 1999 V70 2.4T we are going to look at this week.
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    ...but I'll admit, the Volvo 850R looks pretty good (at least spec wise). 185kW 2.3 litre 5cyl turbo, 6.7 to 100, 250 top speed,
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    Gee, you don't want to turn the parents into a Hoon and "Hooness"

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    Nick, lately I've seen both for around $26K over here. If I can get an auto 406 for $20K, it will almost certainly be in my garage, missus permitting (her car). Admittedly the 406 sample I'm quoting amounts to two...they are pretty rare in WA. I seem to remember one in Barbagallos (posh dealer over here) for $18K with leather seats a while back, but that sounds too cheap...

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