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    Having multiple copies of the same car model can give some interesting comparisons.
    Vehicles in this case are three 205 Si and a 205 GTi

    Silver Si build date September 1991, 152,000 km
    White Si build date October 1991, 237,000 km
    Red Si build date May 1992, 226,000 km

    GTi build date June 1987, 242.000 km

    All 3 Si are automatic and all have deteriorated plastic on gear selector.
    (Gear knob on GTi is in the process of disintegrating, each trip ends with a search for the new location of the gear pattern button.)

    All 3 Si have dents in hatch and rear bumper damage ( Red and Silver) both directly behind driver.
    Guess that’s a legacy of them being city cars in former ownership.
    GTi fortunately is straight.

    Silver Si trip meter jammed on 457.9 km
    Red Si trip meter jammed on 557.9 km
    Trip meter functioning in White Si and GTi

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    White Si and Red Si both had broken LHS hand brake cables.

    Silver Si needs bearings replaced in rear beam, squeaks loudly.
    Red and White Si have good beams, no squeaks or neg camber and both sit higher in rear end than Silver Si.
    (given the lower kilometerage of the Silver Si this would suggest to me either premature wear of its rear suspension or that the rear suspension of the other two cars has been refurbished).
    GTi had its rear beam refurbished some time ago but LH rear wheel is showing some negative camber so I suspect it needs work

    Anyone else notice similar trends?

    Paul

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    I have owned two (2) 1993 205GTi, Sorrento 30k km and Red 267k km,

    both had plastic inlet manifolds and both had four (4) wheels .





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    I hve owned 13, 205 gtis form 1987 models to 1994

    Oh and 2 were dimmas!!

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    Monsieur 504-504-504, can you please tell me what's you oil pressure in the GTI at idle and full chat? I think I might have a problem with mine, but not sure where it is. I suspect sender (off an Si, unknown), filter (K&N brand new) and other (bad engine). Hope to eliminate the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    I have owned two (2) 1993 205GTi, Sorrento 30k km and Red 267k km,

    both had plastic inlet manifolds and both had four (4) wheels .





    Sorry I could not resist it .
    no spare???

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    Guess it was an invitation

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    Quote Originally Posted by gezza View Post
    I hve owned 13, 205 gtis form 1987 models to 1994

    Oh and 2 were dimmas!!
    As I am person who tends to keep cars for a long time you have me wondering.
    Obviouisly you like 205 GTis. Why did you have so many?
    With my Si its one for work, one for the wife, one for spares.

    I guess those Dimmas were overseas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlitzaugen View Post
    Monsieur 504-504-504, can you please tell me what's you oil pressure in the GTI at idle and full chat? I think I might have a problem with mine, but not sure where it is. I suspect sender (off an Si, unknown), filter (K&N brand new) and other (bad engine). Hope to eliminate the latter.
    Engine in my GTi is from series 1 405 Mi16 so sender and guage may not be matched.
    The oil pressure guage seems to live a life of its own but the needle usually stays near the low pressure end, on rare occasions getting up to the halfway mark and sometimes sticking there.
    An oil change to Penzoil HPR10 10-50 has bought the needle up a bit easpecially in hot weather.
    Basically I don't trust the gauge. Not sure if it is sender or guage. PeterT has posted that the thing to watch out for is oil pressure warning light comming on at idle.

    Would be interested in finding out the output readings for both GTi and Si oil pressure senders.
    I bought a secondhand oil pressure guage but no sender.
    It tested out as follows.

    40 psi at 190 ohm
    90 psi at 110 ohms
    Bumping off zero at 240 ohms

    Sorry I can't be of more help.

    I have a couple of the old mechanical type oil pressure guages but have been told they can not legally be fitted to road cars. Can anyone confirm that please?

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    I am not sure why it is illegal to fit mechanical oil pressure gauges to stret cars, but I can tell you I have one that came like that from Factory, and I even have a brand new old stock gauge for it and they're both mechanical. The spare dial cluster actually has a thermocouple/pipe coolant gauge as well. The car is an old BMW (1969). As far as I know they changed to an electrical coolant sender but never to an electrical oil pressure sender.

    I just bought a mechanical gauge which I used to test my pug's oil pressure and it reads 3.2bar @2000RPM but no higher if revved up. This is with a cold engine. This probably means that my dash gauge is shagged. The electrical senders I have, I am not sure.

    Still I would expect higher pressure especially with a cold engine. Then again I am using Shell Helix 10W40.

    I will try to find the oil you're talking about and give that a try.

    An Si sender I have here has [email protected] 0 and about 57Ohm @2-3bar. I have a GTI (faulty) which reads 340Ohm @0bar and doesn't change with pressure. This did not give any reading on the dash dial.

    Another (unknown) GTI sender I have gives 140Ohm @0bar.
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    [QUOTE=schlitzaugen;997750]I am not sure why it is illegal to fit mechanical oil pressure gauges to stret cars, but I can tell you I have one that came like that from Factory, and I even have a brand new old stock gauge for it and they're both mechanical. The spare dial cluster actually has a thermocouple/pipe coolant gauge as well. The car is an old BMW (1969). As far as I know they changed to an electrical coolant sender but never to an electrical oil pressure sender.
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    The only reason I can think of is the danger of the oil line or the guage breaking and spraying hot oil around the interior of the car. Have never heard of that happening though.

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    I just bought a mechanical gauge which I used to test my pug's oil pressure and it reads 3.2bar @2000RPM but no higher if revved up. This is with a cold engine. This probably means that my dash gauge is shagged. The electrical senders I have, I am not sure.
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    Once I get a few other things out of the way I will do the same using an adaptor with 2 outlets if it will fit.

    An Si sender I have here has [email protected] 0 and about 57Ohm @2-3bar. I have a GTI (faulty) which reads 340Ohm @0bar and doesn't change with pressure. This did not give any reading on the dash dial.

    Another (unknown) GTI sender I have gives 140Ohm @0bar.
    Thanks for that, gives me some figures to work on, intending to fit guages to my Silver Si and the GTi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    I have a Peugeot 406 and a weekly bus ticket.

    Cool story, I know.
    Only buses up here are tuorist busses and not sure how far a weekly ticket would get you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    I have a Peugeot 406 and a weekly bus ticket.

    Cool story, I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 504-504-504 View Post

    The only reason I can think of is the danger of the oil line or the guage breaking and spraying hot oil around the interior of the car. Have never heard of that happening though.
    Don't think that's possible. Perhaps you can have a problem if you don't do up the ends properly and they come loose. If you're afraid of that you can use copper/brass pipe and solder both ends to the fittings and that's it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 504-504-504 View Post
    Once I get a few other things out of the way I will do the same using an adaptor with 2 outlets if it will fit.
    Why do you need an adaptor with two outlets? The block has two separate holes for switch and sender.

    Here's the question though. I checked again and the Si doesn't have an oil pressure gauge, so I wonder what is the big sender for? Maybe it's for the FI system? you know, a safety switch for the fuel pump? Perhaps this would explain why when I put it on my GTI gauge it only indicated a steady 2bar pressure no matter the revs? Perhaps that's where it opens and stays there whilst the engine is running? No, it should have 0 resistance when open. Dang, this is doing my head in.

    An adaptor should fit there's plenty of room, but adaptors don't usually come with metric threads. You will need to buy one from Siemens or some siemens gauge specialist. These are for BMW, and my car has one. IIRC the thread is close to the XU engine thread. Didn't try though. The aftermarket are BSP (?) or some shit like that which I passionately hate.

    Quote Originally Posted by 504-504-504 View Post

    Thanks for that, gives me some figures to work on, intending to fit guages to my Silver Si and the GTi.
    My suggestion is you buy the sender new. Not sure where from, I am still trawling the interweb for one and a good cluster.

    I just hate dead gauges on the dash. Now I suspect some elctrickery is playing with my head too. Can't get zero resistance on the coolant temp sender wires and the oil temp wire. Dang italian/spanish electrics.
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    The Silver Si tried a new trick the other night.
    Was running well until I stopped at a service station.
    Driving off I noticed that the battery light was on but indicators and wipers were no longer working.
    Handy that as it was raining.
    Lights were working and dash was lit up but even though the fuel tank was full the reliable guage was showing empty.
    The temperature guage and fuel guage were also at lowest setting.
    Checked the alternator belt, alternator spinning well, and headlights at full intensity.
    Managed a cautious trip home with no wipers, fortunately rain was light and not much traffic.
    Stopped at friends place to pick up my wife and wasn't sure if I should switch off ignition or not.
    Might not start again.
    Ended up switching it off and it did restart and everything back to normal.
    Problem hasn't reoccured.
    Thinking it might be a connector in the wiring loom or maybe the computer had a hicup.

    Anyone experienced something similar?

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    Paul, it happened to me -the copper pipe from the engine to the guage [all installed by a MUCH younger me] let go on my screaming 1959 Hillman- oil everywhere including all over my jeans -luckily not wearing shorts! I paid for a proper one after that! Neil

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    Couple of new arrivals
    Moi   aussi-jse_p1050478.jpg Moi   aussi-jse_p1050477.jpg

    and pictures of rear end damage to the fleet.
    What is it about 205s that they either get shunted up the rear or backed into things?

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    Do you want another auto Si? I have been offered a low km (160k) red auto with sunroof for $500.
    Feels very tight to drive, not done a lot of work.
    It is in Melbourne.
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    Just about every Peugeot 403 I've known (either owned or belonging to friends in the 60's & 70's) blew its front main bearing between 70,000 & 80,000 miles.

    If a valve was went bad on a 403 it was almost always on the rear cylinder (poor / deteriorating cooling).

    A 403 of mine & a 404 wagon of my father's, both fitted with C3 gear boxes, both fractured a gearbox selector fork in the same place at about the same mileage.

    Both 505 sLi wagons I owned developed a solder fault on the board of the air-con controller between 200,000 & 220,000 kms.
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    Thanks Graham but I,m running out of room in the back yard. Just managed to get the "new" GTi off the roadway this afternoon.
    Its not running yet, apparently when it does start it goes up onto high revs.
    The "new" Si is the more desirable manual but looks like it has head gasket problems, so it will be a parts car.
    Can't complain $500 for the pair plus $200 delivery from Cairns a bargain considering parts I can use.

    The red one you mention sounds good but as said have too many already and will work on getting the red one I bought from Dave Cavanah into top condition. It has a high mileage motor with leaking cam seal.

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    Ive owned a 93' SI, 2x s2 89' GTi and the 92' s3 Gti....and I still like the ride and comfort of the SI the best even though it was -40mm lower

    I'd happily drive another SI as a daily!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pug-life View Post
    I'd happily drive another SI as a daily!

    me too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Hagen View Post
    Just about every Peugeot 403 I've known (either owned or belonging to friends in the 60's & 70's) blew its front main bearing between 70,000 & 80,000 miles.

    If a valve was went bad on a 403 it was almost always on the rear cylinder (poor / deteriorating cooling).

    A 403 of mine & a 404 wagon of my father's, both fitted with C3 gear boxes, both fractured a gearbox selector fork in the same place at about the same mileage.

    Both 505 sLi wagons I owned developed a solder fault on the board of the air-con controller between 200,000 & 220,000 kms.
    Amazing that despite the exhaustive testing the manufacturers give their products faults still occur down the track.
    Granted its a bit longer track than the manufacturer probably intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pug-life View Post
    Ive owned a 93' SI, 2x s2 89' GTi and the 92' s3 Gti....and I still like the ride and comfort of the SI the best even though it was -40mm lower

    I'd happily drive another SI as a daily!
    Well that was my plan too. The Silver Si has developed a mystery problem which I have yet to find a solution to.
    Starts and idles ok, responds to throttle and revs up but will not hold revs, just dies. So its either full on or full off.
    Fault code showing mixture. Changed fuel pump, fuel filter, throttle body, coolant temperature sensor.
    Next step is oxygen sensor, if that doesn't fix it I'm thinking computer.
    When it first started happening switching the engine off and then starting up again straight away fixed the problem. Ran a bit rich until about 15 km when the K light would come on. Presumably computer substituted default value for some sensor reading at that stage.
    Problem has degenerated to stage that restarting won't fix it now.
    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahay View Post
    me too!
    Somebody better buy the auto that is going for $500 down here.
    There won't be any left for people to drive if they keep getting thrown
    away at the current rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 504-504-504 View Post
    Well that was my plan too. The Silver Si has developed a mystery problem which I have yet to find a solution to.
    Starts and idles ok, responds to throttle and revs up but will not hold revs, just dies. So its either full on or full off.
    Fault code showing mixture. Changed fuel pump, fuel filter, throttle body, coolant temperature sensor.
    Next step is oxygen sensor, if that doesn't fix it I'm thinking computer.
    When it first started happening switching the engine off and then starting up again straight away fixed the problem. Ran a bit rich until about 15 km when the K light would come on. Presumably computer substituted default value for some sensor reading at that stage.
    Problem has degenerated to stage that restarting won't fix it now.
    Paul
    faulty map sensor? My grandfather had similar trouble with his 405 SR. Runs like a dream now that its fixed.

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