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    Icon4 [Official]Peugeot 4008, the new compact SUV...

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    I like the design, but I'm totally disappointed the "big" diesel engine will be from Mitsubishi too(whereas the HDI 150 was a nice one for that SUV)

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    Nice looking car & great 4x4 transmission, but I bet they sell it with a space-saver spare or worse, a repair kit.....

    F'ing useless once you get out of town......

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    Great looking car and the CVT is definitely a nice feature but why are the engines so damn small ?!
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    Yuck. I hate CVT (they are super fragile in high torque applications and drive like hell), if I wanted an ugly Japanese poseur mobile I would look elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Tippett View Post
    Yuck. I hate CVT (they are super fragile in high torque applications and drive like hell), if I wanted an ugly Japanese poseur mobile I would look elsewhere.

    X2. Underneath the nice body shape its just a Mitsushiti and no PSA egnine either.

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    I don't think 198Nm is that high.
    I find the idea of the CVT amazing, you put your foot down and the car stays in it's best shape (4500-6000 rpm) during acceleration and is super smooth in traffic jams without the usual 1st-2nd hesitation.
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    It IS fascinating, but the engine roars all the time when you are accelerating and it is really annoying. One of our Hondas at work has a CVT, and I have driven Merc B Class loaner cars with CVT and they are dreadful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    X2. Underneath the nice body shape its just a Mitsushiti and no PSA egnine either.

    In fact the 1.6l eHDI(most economial engine of the range, with stop&start system)is 100% PSA(you find it in the 308, 3008, 508)

    By the way, I read on australian motor news websites that Peugeot plans to sell the 4008 in Australia by the second half of 2012

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    Yep, the 1.6 HDi is a real PSA motor, all the others are Mitsubishi items.
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    The 4008 will be the successor to the 4007 so that means it will be bigger and heavier than the 3008 and possibly the 508 too. The 4007 HDi has the 115Kw [ 156 Hp ] and 380NM of torque engine whereas the 1.6 HDi , which I have in our 207 SW, will have 82Kw and 270NM of torque.

    In my opinion the 4008 will really need at least a 2.0 HDi with a real gearbox.....

    A CVT belongs in a scooter.

    Volvo have the PSA 1.6 "e drive" in their Volvo S80 but that is very underpowered for that weight and size of car. The 4008 will add 4WD to the power handicap....

    Like the 4007, the 4008 will be a Mitsushiti in a Peugeot disguise.

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    As you may recall, PSA were planning to merge with Mitsubishi Motors this year. They were unable to agree on control and so the plan was shelved. However, that has not interrupted their collaboration and PSA relies on their Japanese friends for their electric cars and their SUV.
    I can't understand the predjudice against CVT. They have come a long way since the DAF. The one on my Insight does a brilliant job, with the computer, of keeping the petrol engine at its optimal load/economy position.
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    Another reason why I love CVT, cruising along at 140 Kph in a 1.6 car with the revs sitting at 3k, that's what I would call amazing gearing.

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    It's only impressive if it got to 140 quickly though. Just because it's a 1.6 hardly justifies a crap box. Some 1.6's will whip out genuine 200km/hr plus which is far more impressive or the engine size regardless of revs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    The 4008 will be the successor to the 4007
    Who has told you this?

    They are quite different vehicles and I don't think PSA has any immediate plans to ditch the 4007/C-Crosser. I think they fully intend to sell the 4007, 4008 and 3008 together in Australia, for example.

    As for underpowered - it's an ASX, not a Landcruiser!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    Who has told you this?

    They are quite different vehicles and I don't think PSA has any immediate plans to ditch the 4007/C-Crosser. I think they fully intend to sell the 4007, 4008 and 3008 together in Australia, for example.

    As for underpowered - it's an ASX, not a Landcruiser!
    No one has told me this. Is it not safe to assume that based on Peugeots generation numbers [ ie: the last digit ] that this will be the case ? Or do you think the 4007 will be the exception to the rule ?

    Lets look at some facts first:

    1] The 4007 came out in 2007 so in early 2012 it will have had 6 years of production life. The 407 had 7 years production prior to the 508 and it was a much bigger player for Peugeot than the 4007. So I am betting that the 4007 continiues for 6~12 months during the 4008's first year.

    2] The outlander version has been in production since 2005.

    3] The sales figures for the 4007 have been decreasing every year since 2009.

    2007 Sales: 6300
    2008 Sales: 13,700
    2009 Sales: 9400
    2010 Sales: 6700

    Yes they are very different vehicles but the 4007 is old hat and I don't think Peugeot wants to go back to that size of 4X4. Interestingly the wheelbase on the Outlander / 4007 is identical to the ASX / 4008. In terms of weight the ASX is 1550Kg. The Peugeot version of the outlander is heavier so I am guessing its going to be around the 1600kg+ mark whereas the 3008 is 1400kg. Thats still a big ask for the 1.6 HDi.

    Our 207 SW 1.6 HDi is 1365kg and with 3 adults and some luggage you really feel the weight penalty. So I know the 4008 with the same engine with passangers some luggage and 4WD will be painfully underpowered.

    Its also too close to the 3008 in size which will be faster and more economical with the same engine but not any smaller in volume....

    So based on that fact and the 4008 designation I am betting that the 4008 is a bloated / stretched version of the ASX.

    How Peugeot will try and differentiate the 3008 and 4008 in their marketing will be very interesting.

    Ditching the 4007 ? Yes. I am guessing at some stage towards the end of 2012 or early 2013 which will probably be the same time the Japs finish with the Outlander or at least the current version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post

    How Peugeot will try and differentiate the 3008 and 4008 in their marketing will be very interesting.
    The Hybrid4 system will be their main selling point for the 3008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 908HDI View Post
    Or do you think the 4007 will be the exception to the rule ?
    The mere presence of the 1007, 4007, 4008 and 3008 is an exception to the rule, but I have noted you moved from successor to "continiues for 6~12 months during the 4008's first year" so I'll leave it at that.

    Mitsubishi quite happily sell both the Outlander and ASX at the same time. They certainly haven't killed production of the Outlander when the ASX turned up. They obviously recognise how different the cars are (or maybe they just hope the customers do).

    The 206 is currently on 13 years of production life.

    A FWD 1.6 petrol ASX weighs around 1275kg, whereas the 1.8 diesel 4WD weighs in at 1525kg.

    Personally, I think an ASX-sized SUV is a much more "Peugeot-like" size than the oversized land barge that the Outlander is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    The mere presence of the 1007, 4007, 4008 and 3008 is an exception to the rule, but I have noted you moved from successor to "continiues for 6~12 months during the 4008's first year" so I'll leave it at that.

    Mitsubishi quite happily sell both the Outlander and ASX at the same time. They certainly haven't killed production of the Outlander when the ASX turned up. They obviously recognise how different the cars are (or maybe they just hope the customers do).

    The 206 is currently on 13 years of production life.

    A FWD 1.6 petrol ASX weighs around 1275kg, whereas the 1.8 diesel 4WD weighs in at 1525kg.

    Personally, I think an ASX-sized SUV is a much more "Peugeot-like" size than the oversized land barge that the Outlander is.
    Actually you made a good point with the 1007 as that model was discontiniued back in 2009 after only a 6 year production. Thats what I think will happen with the 4007 though it may survive a bit longer. It's a bad seller for Peugeot.

    The 205, 206 and 207 have had and have longer production life as did the 104 and 106 due to their popularity and importance to their respective car segment for Peugeot. So that's a no brainer. How long was the original Mini in production for ?

    In terms of my wording "Successor" I still stand by it based on the number and generation designation. Not one Peugeot ended production on the same day as the new model or successor came out....

    In many ways the 508 is very different to the 407 and 607 but its still their successor as was the 504 to the 404. But in both cases they are and were real Peugeots.

    Personally I do not see the point of the 4008 as it will offer no more than the excellent design and package of the 3008. The only difference would be the 4WD but the 3008 now has the Hybrid 4 option.

    In my opinion Peugeot should have used the 5008 platform for a new 4 X 4 ..... but then they may be trying to push the 508 RXH as the family sized 4 X 4 but we don't know how good or usefull that 4WD system will be.

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    GoAuto article on the subject.

    In particular, Peugeot Australia's Richard Grant:
    The 4008 - in both two-wheel-drive and four-wheel-drive - will complement the existing 3008 and 4007 perfectly in the Peugeot model range, and all three will be on sale side-by-side.

    The compact SUV segment is exciting and growing and the 4008 will considerably broaden our appeal across the market. It will be our compact SUV while 3008 is our luxury compact offering. For its part, the recently repositioned 4007 will appeal to buyers who need something a bit bigger, especially if they need to tow.
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    Interesting article, thanks, but I can see the prdicament Peugeot are in with the model number.

    Its no bigger, possibley smaller, than the 3008 but the 4008 would suggest its the next size up as with the 4007. They could not use 2008 because that will probably be used for the 208 mini SUV derrivative and there is no number in between. So in many ways its like if the 508 was smaller than the outgoing 407. Just does not make any sense.

    The other very important marketing issue will be the price. The 3008 betters the 4008 or ASX in almost every way so there has to be a significant price difference. If not then you may as well go and buy an ASX and stick a Peugeot badge on it.....

    Sorry, but I think the 4008 will be an oddball for Peugeot. I bet the 3008 will have a face lift at the front to keep the design more in line with the new Peugeot nose so that will only confuse matters even more.

    As for the 4007 selling alongside the 3008 and 4008 it probably will for a short while as I have explined. The bad sales figures for the 4007 speak for themselves regardless of any marketing hype by Peugeot Australia.

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    Many official pics have been added yesterday to my first message link

    In Australia/New Zealand, the 4008 will be available in april...don't know with what engines, though...

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