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    Default 605 impressions

    ok firstly the 605 really is a great car and a huge leap forward from the 604

    the 604 though is and always will be the benchmark for every other car maker to base what is needed to make a truelly great car

    i drove the 605 to sydney and back for the AFCD today leaving home in Parkes at near enough to 5am

    the car as a whole is a very comfortable place to be even with the pouring down rain untill i got to the blue mountains (yes BIGRR it does rain in Parkes)

    with climate control set at 25 it was very pleasant and sitting right on the speed limit all the way seeing as there are places now that have timed distances and i wasn't in a great hurry anyway. was better to sit back and relax in the pleasant surroundings the 605 has to offer

    the wipers seem a little strange in that every time you switch them off they do an extra sweep before parking, no biggy once you work it out and time it so you get the wipe to happen as the rain stops so you aren't wiping a dry screen, you need to be in touch with mother nature to get this right but this is a given when you own a 6 series pug

    i may need to put new wiper blades in though as they did make a chattering noise occasionally

    the cruise control is very nice and keeps the car right on the speed selected and makes the journey even less tiresome, it was a little strange getting used to not actually driving a car though and it does make you feel more like a passenger

    the engine is effortless and in this car is a good package, the transmission is smooth and there is very little sensation of what is going on under the bonnet

    the radio, well it's good to have something to listen to as you drive along and it reminds me of the Mi-16 i used to own, same head unit

    the sound though although not bad from the upmarket, no expense spared autosonik chinese speakers i feel could be made a little better to suit the sublime interior

    the steering has a nice feel to it at any speed but does seem to lack the feel of an Mi-16/GTi6 but in saying this the 605 has finger tip control at any speed and makes it ideal for just cruising along the highways or country roads

    an Mi-16/GTi6 is a more involved drive and you always know you have covered ground in one where as in the 605 my back was only just starting to ache a little as i neared Parkes this evening

    the 604 on the other hand i would have been feeling a little back sore around Bathurst

    headlights are on par with the other newer pugs i have owned, i have been spoiled by the 604 headlights

    the 605's lights aren't bad, they just lack a little distance which is only a worry out this way as i like to see as much as i can as i'm not a fan on meeting any members of the aussie coat of arms but again sitting on the speed limit they deal with the darkness adequately

    not a bad car at all really and this is the first time i have taken it on a fairly good trip and by far it is streets ahead in comfort from the other pugs i have owned and do own

    for luxurious fun i have the 604, for sporty fun there is always the 306 and for relaxed, effortless cruising it's the 605

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    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

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    Default tre' bien!

    Glad you graduated to this engineering master stroke.Its suspension and chassis were based on the 405 T 16,and had the finest of Peugeot's old school brains in the best effort of their career.Sochaux body shop was completely redone to achieve exemplary standard of finish.
    Parts are getting very hard to get,use anti corrossion in coolant,routinely keep an eye that both fans work and go to hi speed in summer time,repl Auto fluid+ filter must @ 20kkm max.Repl steering fluid at same time to keep Bendix servo regulator clear/clean.Bon voyage.

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    i will also add the mileage for the trip

    8.6L/100km for the trip which for a big car wasn't too bad

    for those that don't understand L/100 (i'm one) it's a bit over 33mpg

    i did have the trip computer tell me i had 999km to go till empty as i was coming into bathurst after i filled it at meadlow bath
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    Default Rain & Miles

    So it now rains in Parkes, though they still have miles .

    I'd have thought that you would have done better mileage seeing that your car has such a big tank .
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    ...for luxurious fun i have the 604, for sporty fun there is always the 306 and for relaxed, effortless cruising it's the 605
    I just don't see it, Rambo: The 605 can be pushed as hard as a 306 once you get used to the size and the 24v manual can be very sporty. With excellent low mileage cars going for under 4000 euro, the 24v V6 manual is probably the best full sized used car option available today, a truly great car not just an effortless cruiser. The 306 is also a very nice car (my wife loves hers) and great even for a long trip as well (as long as you don't have a lot of luggage) but for me sporty fun = 205 GTi (and 106 rallye if the roads are not rough). As for the 604 used for luxurious fun, I will agree to luxurious (for the era) but fun? It is the more uninspiring car I ever owned, the auto version sluggish and ponderous. Unless you are driving Miss Daisy... I actually got tired of looking at it last Friday, drove it one more time for the second time this year just to confirm that it was as boring as I remembered, and sent it off to be parted out. I had been hesitating for years because it was the only running, registered example in Greece but the next project was hard to resist: I was offered an excellent 504 Ti (black with sunroof, original paint, no accidents, dents or rust) which I plan to convert to a daily driver. It will receive the front and rear ends (with 50% stiffer springs and shocks and one inch drop), engine (complete with PS and A/C) and Minilites from the 604 and I found a BA10/4 for it. The Xanthia V6 clutch and pressure plate are a match and there is a 1975 manual with blown engine rusting in a field in Crete that can provide the flywheel. You may recall that years ago I bought a complete DeLorean EFI from ebay U.K. and all I need now is an ECU and a set of Volvo cams. Are any of these cams available in OZ? I am having trouble locating them in Europe. I am sure that once finished this car will be driven a lot whereas the 604 had been driven 5 times in the last seven years (except for staring and driving around the block once a month to keep things circulating).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanos View Post
    I just don't see it, Rambo: The 605 can be pushed as hard as a 306 once you get used to the size and the 24v manual can be very sporty. With excellent low mileage cars going for under 4000 euro, the 24v V6 manual is probably the best full sized used car option available today, a truly great car not just an effortless cruiser. The 306 is also a very nice car (my wife loves hers) and great even for a long trip as well (as long as you don't have a lot of luggage) but for me sporty fun = 205 GTi (and 106 rallye if the roads are not rough). As for the 604 used for luxurious fun, I will agree to luxurious (for the era) but fun? It is the more uninspiring car I ever owned, the auto version sluggish and ponderous. Unless you are driving Miss Daisy... I actually got tired of looking at it last Friday, drove it one more time for the second time this year just to confirm that it was as boring as I remembered, and sent it off to be parted out. I had been hesitating for years because it was the only running, registered example in Greece but the next project was hard to resist: I was offered an excellent 504 Ti (black with sunroof, original paint, no accidents, dents or rust) which I plan to convert to a daily driver. It will receive the front and rear ends (with 50% stiffer springs and shocks and one inch drop), engine (complete with PS and A/C) and Minilites from the 604 and I found a BA10/4 for it. The Xanthia V6 clutch and pressure plate are a match and there is a 1975 manual with blown engine rusting in a field in Crete that can provide the flywheel. You may recall that years ago I bought a complete DeLorean EFI from ebay U.K. and all I need now is an ECU and a set of Volvo cams. Are any of these cams available in OZ? I am having trouble locating them in Europe. I am sure that once finished this car will be driven a lot whereas the 604 had been driven 5 times in the last seven years (except for staring and driving around the block once a month to keep things circulating).

    stick the engine and g/box out of the coupe into the 604 and then tell us what you think
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    stick the engine and g/box out of the coupe into the 604 and then tell us what you think
    This will be like giving four Viagra pills to a 90-year-old, the body would not be able to handle the new engine!

    Now, about these cams, are they still available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanos View Post
    I just don't see it, Rambo: The 605 can be pushed as hard as a 306 once you get used to the size and the 24v manual can be very sporty. With excellent low mileage cars going for under 4000 euro, the 24v V6 manual is probably the best full sized used car option available today, a truly great car not just an effortless cruiser. The 306 is also a very nice car (my wife loves hers) and great even for a long trip as well (as long as you don't have a lot of luggage) but for me sporty fun = 205 GTi (and 106 rallye if the roads are not rough). As for the 604 used for luxurious fun, I will agree to luxurious (for the era) but fun? It is the more uninspiring car I ever owned, the auto version sluggish and ponderous. Unless you are driving Miss Daisy... I actually got tired of looking at it last Friday, drove it one more time for the second time this year just to confirm that it was as boring as I remembered, and sent it off to be parted out. I had been hesitating for years because it was the only running, registered example in Greece but the next project was hard to resist: I was offered an excellent 504 Ti (black with sunroof, original paint, no accidents, dents or rust) which I plan to convert to a daily driver. It will receive the front and rear ends (with 50% stiffer springs and shocks and one inch drop), engine (complete with PS and A/C) and Minilites from the 604 and I found a BA10/4 for it. The Xanthia V6 clutch and pressure plate are a match and there is a 1975 manual with blown engine rusting in a field in Crete that can provide the flywheel. You may recall that years ago I bought a complete DeLorean EFI from ebay U.K. and all I need now is an ECU and a set of Volvo cams. Are any of these cams available in OZ? I am having trouble locating them in Europe. I am sure that once finished this car will be driven a lot whereas the 604 had been driven 5 times in the last seven years (except for staring and driving around the block once a month to keep things circulating).

    Thanos, as sporty as 24v manual 605 can be, I will still be relunctant to go for it. From what i have gathered, the 24v has some electric control which am scared of. I would rather stick with 12v V6 605 which am working on purchasing. The torque of my ZN3J (505 V6 PRV engine) is so good that i believe that ZPJ (12v PRV 605) would have similar torque as well. 5sp manual 505 V6 is very sporty. Maybe, Pugrambo is not getting the sporty feel from his probably because its auto trans. I believe the 12v V6 5sp manual 605 will have the same sporty feel like its brother engine in 505 V6 (ZN3J).

    There is one 605 12v V6 that am working on right now to purchase (though, have not concluded on the price). But the only problem i have with it is that its automatic. I hate automatic with passion! But it happens to be the only one available to my what i can afford. If i eventually get it, I will have no option than to convert it to Manual someday. I have alrady made the inquires about what it will cost to do the conversion to maunal, which is very possible & affordable too. The car ABS, I was told, has problem. Meaning, i will have to convert it to conventional brake if i finally purchase it.

    I like the looks of 605. And it having PRV makes it unresistable for me. But, the 24v , am really scared!!

    Ikenna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikenna351 View Post
    There is one 605 12v V6 that am working on right now ...But the only problem i have with it is that its automatic. .....
    http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/216986981.htm?ca=19_s

    http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/off...peugeot+605+v6

    Some good options there, how complicated is the importing process?

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    i did punt the car through a few twisty bits and yes it is fun but for real fun it's no GTi-6 and it's no 604

    the 605 feels far to relaxed to be sporty

    the 604 is not far different from a 504 in regards or fun and the bonus of being RWD

    a 604 is a slightly bigger 504 that goes better, looks better and you are seated in fine leather while punting it along your favourite road
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

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    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    'Rambo, you just need to double the speed in the 605 to get the same levels of fun as you would in lesser Pugs.

    405Mi16 is regarded as one of the most fun Peugeots to drive. Drove one on the coast road North of San Fancisco. Fantastic car. But not more fun than a 605. You need to get used to the slightly slower steering ratio. Then start listening for the precision of the steering through the palms of your hands... and there's your joy.

    Few cars feel so precise be it taking hairpins on a bumpy road or making tiny adjustments on a straight freeway at 220km/h. Rock solid all the way!

    The relaxed bit, well, that's just a bonus.
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    If you reckon a 605 is a leap ahead of the 604 ...................... Just wait until you try a 30+year old CX ......... It's bloody light years ahead
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    If you reckon a 605 is a leap ahead of the 604 ...................... Just wait until you try a 30+year old CX ......... It's bloody light years ahead
    had one, the 604 was way ahead of it

    the 604 stopped better, rode better, goes better and handles better and one of the best things, you don't have to worry about turning the indicators off once you get around a corner, the 604 does it all by itself

    the 605 is a quantum leap up form the 604 but we are talking about a cars from two different eras

    the 604 was basically a 60's design base where as the 605 was built on a base 20 years later and there were a lot of upgrades in that time

    if the cx was deigned by peugeot it might have had a chance of being a driveable car
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    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

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    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    I can attest that you can punt a 605 around and you might just be surprised at how well they handle when driven hard in the twisty bits .

    Alas I could not afford the new front tyres that you would need every 7 or 8000km , punting would rip them to shreds.
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    Please, for those that have ABS 605, can the ABS 605 control unit be rebuild? Is it the Integral ABS type? The 605 in question is Series 1. Would like to know if that is possible so that i can keep the ABS, if I end up with the car.

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    I would pull the shunt out of the fuse box and forget the ABS. I had my 605 for 11 years and only ever once did the ABS come into operation .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikenna351 View Post
    Please, for those that have ABS 605, can the ABS 605 control unit be rebuild? Is it the Integral ABS type? The 605 in question is Series 1. Would like to know if that is possible so that i can keep the ABS, if I end up with the car.

    Ikenna.
    what is actually wrong with the brakes ??

    9/10 it will be a pick up sensor on the hub which can be cured with a good clean up

    the other problem can be a loose connection

    rarely if they have been bled wrong there will be air in them but this can be fixed and i think it's described in one of the haynes manuals for a 405 or 306 on how to do it
    3 x '78 604 SL

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    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    I would pull the shunt out of the fuse box and forget the ABS. I had my 605 for 11 years and only ever once did the ABS come into operation .
    did the car still have original brake pads ??
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    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    did the car still have original brake pads ??
    No, Peter Portelli convinced me that I needed new ones .

    The ABS worked if tested by demo emergency stop, though I never ever required an emergency stop, wet or dry (well alright a couple when I saw a policeman) .
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo View Post
    what is actually wrong with the brakes ??

    9/10 it will be a pick up sensor on the hub which can be cured with a good clean up

    the other problem can be a loose connection

    rarely if they have been bled wrong there will be air in them but this can be fixed and i think it's described in one of the haynes manuals for a 405 or 306 on how to do it
    I dont exactly know what the problem is, 'cos am am yet to discuss with the owner. Someone is doing the pricing for me. He told me the ABS has problem. So I only wanted to know if the master is leaking, can the kits be replaced?

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    you can buy new master cylinders

    from memory i think they were around $300AUD but that was a few years ago when i priced one

    your best bet would be to find out exactly what it needs but to be honest i don't think it would be too much

    there is nothing really mysterious about the brake system of the 605

    i'll go through and check out some documents tomorrow
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    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


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    IS the ABS working ?? The XM lies all the time and tells me the ABS is out .... But if you try the brakes on a bit of gravel road, the ABS is actually still working.

    Did they put a big spring between the brake pedal and master cylinder on the 605 like they did on the XM just to make the brakes extra "bloody awful" to use

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    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    Default ABS/Hydraulics

    Early series V6 605 dont have a ;master cylinder;.They are fully hydraulic like the Range Rover of that era.The Hydraulic Reservoir/Cylinder/&Booster are single sealed unit along with hi pressure electric pump.
    They require very competent hands to fix-either leak with age or the boosting function drops.ABS may still work but pedal effort will be massive if hydraulic boosting is not taking place.Understand that the ABS modulator is a separate stand alone of course linked unit but control+boost function comes from the hydraulic unit attached to the pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salman View Post
    Early series V6 605 dont have a ;master cylinder;.They are fully hydraulic like the Range Rover of that era.The Hydraulic Reservoir/Cylinder/&Booster are single sealed unit along with hi pressure electric pump.
    They require very competent hands to fix-either leak with age or the boosting function drops.ABS may still work but pedal effort will be massive if hydraulic boosting is not taking place.Understand that the ABS modulator is a separate stand alone of course linked unit but control+boost function comes from the hydraulic unit attached to the pedal.
    pretty sure mine has a master cylinder and a few years ago with vin number in hand for a very early 605 that was owned by an AF member i checked up for parts and it had one as well

    not doubting you but i may have to dig through the box i have here filled with 605 workshop manuals and check it out
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x '98 306 GTi6

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0


    WTD long range fuel tank for 605

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    Quote Originally Posted by salman View Post
    Early series V6 605 dont have a ;master cylinder;.They are fully hydraulic like the Range Rover of that era.The Hydraulic Reservoir/Cylinder/&Booster are single sealed unit along with hi pressure electric pump.
    They require very competent hands to fix-either leak with age or the boosting function drops.ABS may still work but pedal effort will be massive if hydraulic boosting is not taking place.Understand that the ABS modulator is a separate stand alone of course linked unit but control+boost function comes from the hydraulic unit attached to the pedal.
    This is what i meant in earlier question. So, is the same integral ABS system similar to one in 505 V6. Over here, people dont bother to fix the Integral ABS control Unit, they just swape them with conventional brake booster and master once the leak start. But until I know the actual problem with the car ABS.

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