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    Default Just put a deposit on a 206 gti 180, was it a mistake?

    Hi,

    I just joined this forum after putting down a deposit on a white 2004 206 GTI 180. It's only showing 77000 ks and one owner with what looks like a full service history up to and inclluding the all important 80000km service.

    Everyone I know has advised against buying a french car because of reliability issues and the cost of parts. But after actually driving the 180 I couldn't walk away and put down a deposit. Besides, their opinion of a good car at my price point is a meathead VY Calais V8, **snore**, which would cost a bucket load in fuel anyways.

    Can I ask what is the consensus regarding the cost of parts and reliability for peugeot? Have I made a mistake in purchasing such a car, is it going to cost an arm and a leg to keep it on the road?

    Also, how important is it to get a specialised mechanic for the peugeots? My current mechanic is a top bloke, but I'm not confident he's too familiar with small euro hatches. I looked at the mechanic thread, there isn't really a mechanic close to me (Cranbourne area). I'd have to go Moorabbin or Tooradin.

    Any and all opinions welcome.

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    Hi Alex,

    Welcome to

    Of course you made an excellent choice. White 180s are as rare as rocking horse doodoo.
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    White is a rare colour, so that's cool (or resprayed due to crash - not so cool)

    My 180 has been great, I don't skimp on maintenance, and it doesn't break down. It's getting towards 7 years old now, so some things will start to wear out. You say the timing belt is done, so that's good. I've got a feeling the clutch in mine isn't all it could be, but it has had 65K of city driving in 7 years - and it's certainly not dead yet.

    I generally give mine a service every 10K or 6 months if I've been to a couple of trackdays. I've done about 20K in 3 years though, so not exactly heaps. A basic but thorough service is a couple of hundred bucks at Spencer St Autos, and they've been good.

    It's not a particularly comfortable little car in heavy traffic or for cruising, but it's great fun for zipping around in.

    I've been to a bunch of trackdays in it, and it's performed marvellously.

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    Welcome. This is one of the best decisions you have ever made short of buying a 205GTI perhaps, if you are bent that way.

    Modern cars are only different in badge and perhaps where the manufacturer is trying to save money. Euro cars aimed primarily at a market with serious safety and fuel efficiency concerns will try to undercut elsewhere. That being said, it's just a car. Work your way around it carefully and it will give you long years of reliable service. Treat it with indifference and it will respond likewise.

    As for prices, get an account on ebay and follow the UK, French or german sites. The prices you will get there are pretty much on par with the prices you can get here from euro parts importers, with the difference that shipping might take a bit longer from overseas. Official local dealers can help too, though in my experience they need a little bit too much help and guidance if your car is not the latest on their showroom floor.

    A good mechanic is one that knows when to listen to you, and that'll be your test. Buy your car's manual, read ahead of time and let your mechanic know if there's a trick to the job (show them the book). If they don't listen and screw up, then you need to find someone else (been there, done that).

    Enjoy your car. There can't be much wrong with it at that age and mileage.
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    Thanks for that.

    The thought had occured that white might be a respray from an accident. I've checked the written off status and it has not been registered as written off. If it is a respray it's a good one, engine bay and under the boot trims all white, no trace of other colors.

    I'm buying from a wholesaler who has to guarantee it's not stolen or encumbured or written off as far as I know. I've also checked the dealers lincence to make sure he's legit.

    The motor was a little lumpy at idle fluctuating between 850-900 rpm, lumpier than my wife's magna anyways, but I've read that it's quite normal due to the agressive tuning. Clutch seems good, no signs of slipping, aircon works, heater works, all electrics work. Car sounds solid going over potholes and uneven roads. Wheels are a bit scuffed (might change them anyways) and it does seem to understeer a little (been thinking an lsd will fix if it really bugs me).

    I do need to pull a dent out of the bonnet (no paint damage), replace a rubber around the drivers window and fix the passenger seat (backrest doesn't adjust) all of which is included in the purchase price.

    I normally service my cars at 10,000 ks or 6 months, sometimes I go 1000ks over if I'm busy. $200 seems normal for a service, that's what I've always paid for my other cars. Based on the feedback, I'm beginning to think all the negative views of french cars is based more on a dislike of the French (everyone loves to hate the French) rather than quantifiable problems with the vehicles.

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    I have had a 180 for about a year and a bit now. When I first got it I had to put money into it ( major service etc) since then it has needed a coil pack , 2 tyres and a clutch. These werent cheap by any means, but now its looking like I wont have to spend too much for a fair while (fingers crossed) . So like the posters above, keep it maintained and it will serve you well. They are pretty fun cars though, I cant think of another car I would replace it with.

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    Like all post 1990 Peugeots, it will, like a Ducati, take care and money to keep at its best, but the rewards in driving pleasure will far outweigh the cost. You don't buy a Peugeot because you want trouble free motoring - thats what Toyotas are for - you buy them because you enjoy the experience of driving a car, and in terms of pleasure for your money, not much else comes close. Awesome choice



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    Good choice. I had a 206 Gti in moonstone and it never missed a beat and it was a lot of fun.

    The only thing that I remember being an issue was that the top gear was quite high up on revs at motorway speeds [ 130kmh+ ]. This was in the UK and Europe at the time and come to think of it should not be an issue here.

    The only things I had to change were the tyres, front brake pads and discs and eventually the clutch which I did myself. On this note never buy a cheap clutch kit.

    I always used premium fuel and changed the oil and filter every 5000 miles [ 8000kms ].

    In terms of reliability it was faultless. Unlike my brothers VW Passat with a DSG gearbox. After the warranty expired so did the DSG gearbox. $5,000 for a new one.

    Vorsprung Turd Technick !

    Parts costs for the 206 Gti are not as bad as you think....

    Enjoy your new Peugeot !
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    Yeah I think peoples comments are crap. If you look around you can get parts for cheap. There are many sites like EAI that sells good parts for a lot cheaper than what peugeot charge.

    I cannot say I have had many things go wrong on mine. However, a good knowledgable mechanic is certainly worth it!
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    Vorsprung tourch teknik (spelling is off ...but who cares) is Audi not VW...but yep VW is crap !
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    Yes, Audi but its all the same being the VW group... Its actually "Vorsprung Durch Technick" but my fingers kind of slipped on the keyboard when I got to Durch..... if you know what I mean

    It would be nice to see some pictures of the new 206 Gti when you get it.

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    Yeah I'll post pics once I get it. Waiting on Vicroads to register it ... currently NSW rego. Can't wait, should have it Friday. Driving it really put a smile on my face

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    I've usually found that the only people who complain about French car parts prices is people who don't own one and therefore don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    I've usually found that the only people who complain about French car parts prices is people who don't own one and therefore don't know.
    So true!

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    Morpheus,
    You don't buy a Peugeot because you want trouble free motoring...
    WHAT ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    I've usually found that the only people who complain about French car parts prices is people who don't own one and therefore don't know.
    Agree completely.

    When I was running the workshop, I noticed that prices for parts for Holdens and Fords averaged pretty close to what it cost for bits for my Peugeots. You just needed a lot more of them on the aussie cars!

    The real surprise is Toyotas. Parts prices for them, both genuine and aftermarket, are completely outrageous!! Fortunately, their reliability level and the requirement for those parts is generally a lot lower than the taxis.
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    Excellent choice of car!!

    Forget them calais lol

    Dont worry about things going wrong look after it, replace things when they need replacing and service it on time (I do my own i know its done right then) and yeah geta manual

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    Thanks for that, feeling more comfortable now. Quick question ... anyone know where to get a manual from. I noticed that the Haynes manual for the 206 does not have the gti 180 motor listed and states it doesn't cover the 180 models:

    http://pitstop.net.au/view/products/...uery/plu/19252

    I can't seem to find a manual for the 180

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    That's like finding the Holy Grail.....

    The 206 Haynes manual is the closest you'll get at this time and covers the majority of the car so its still well worth having.

    Sometimes you see CD-rom service / workshop manuals on eBay but you have to specify "International" as most of these tend to come up for auction or sale in Europe.

    I remember using a large Snap-On data manual for specific model specifications many moons ago when i was working for a dealer but those things were a fortune then....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickHy View Post
    Vorsprung tourch teknik (spelling is off ...but who cares) is Audi not VW...but yep VW is crap !

    Comments like this are pointless and just lable froggers as being in a little world of their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crembz View Post
    Thanks for that, feeling more comfortable now. Quick question ... anyone know where to get a manual from. I noticed that the Haynes manual for the 206 does not have the gti 180 motor listed and states it doesn't cover the 180 models:

    http://pitstop.net.au/view/products/...uery/plu/19252

    I can't seem to find a manual for the 180
    As has been said, there is no manual available (printed or online) that covers the GTi180 engine.

    If you sign up to ServiceBox - as an "other professional motor repairer" you may be able to purchase technical info on the 180 engine, but it is a paid option. Signing up is free, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    Like all post 1990 Peugeots, it will, like a Ducati, take care and money to keep at its best, but the rewards in driving pleasure will far outweigh the cost. You don't buy a Peugeot because you want trouble free motoring - thats what Toyotas are for - you buy them because you enjoy the experience of driving a car, and in terms of pleasure for your money, not much else comes close. Awesome choice
    Toyota hatchbacks are only trouble free until you're in a crash. I was hit by a Hilux Surf in an Echo, and the engine, transmission, 1 wheel, and k-frame were all cracked in half. This was at about 40km/h. Really makes you appreciate having 4 airbags and a 5 star safety rating (it's technically 4 stars, but esp only counts if you can't drive or in a car that flips easily).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blufires View Post
    (it's technically 4 stars, but esp only counts if you can't drive or in a car that flips easily).
    Or, in fact, if you don't have it on your car...
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    Comments like this are pointless and just lable froggers as being in a little world of their own.
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    Got the car off the dealer yesterday, haven't had it 24hrs and it's off the road already
    Car had a tremble in the steering wheel, so i took it to bob jane to get the wheels balanced and aligned.

    All seemed good, I got home, dropped off some stuff got back in and took off. About 5 minutes down the road I noticed a strange sound and the car started feeling awful. Pulled into the next servo, rear tyre was flat. Pumped it up but I could hear an airleak. Anyways I drove to the nearest Bob Jane (driving from servo to servo and refilling air, tyre in a can did jack) who took it off and apparently my rim is damaged beyond repair!!!!

    Three possible causes for the damage I figure:

    1. Car was sold to me with damaged RIM, can't understand how or why this wasn't pointed out during the wheel balance and align.
    2. Guys at Bob Jane didn't inflate tyre properly and I didn't notice, damaging the rim on a pot hole or driveway crossover whilst driving
    3. Tyre gave up conincidentally whilst driving and I didn't notice, damaging the rim on a pot hole or driveway crossover

    Either way car is off the road, I'm pissed off, and I'm up for a new RIM. I hear genuine RIMS cost about $500 I couldn't call Peugeot to confrim, parts dept doesn't work on weekends. So I had to leave it at Bob Jane's and get a lift home.

    I'm thinking at this point of replacing all 4 RIMS with aftermarket RIMS, the remaining 3 on the car are a little scuffed anyways. At least that way I can use one of the genuine RIMS as a spare, even if the exercise costs me a little more than just getting a genuine RIM replacement. Also thinking of changing the rubber while I'm at it ... any recommendations for tyres? I've always been a fan of Yokohama myself, I had the ES1000 on my MX5 which I loved.

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