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    Default Hate these cars that talk to you

    Some might remember that I blew a front tyre on my 407 Coupe about three months ago.

    Well I have just managed to find the time to put the spare on. Thank goodness I got a full mag tyre when I bought it about 5 years ago.

    Anyway I have put the spare tyre on (first time on the car - car has only done 44,000km's).

    I took the car for a drive to check the pressures all round.

    Once I had done that the bloody on board computer that thinks it knows everything tells me that the new tyre is not connected to the on-board computer monitoring thingo.

    Smart arse. It didn't say a word before the front tyre blew. About 15 seconds after it blew it told me that I had a front tyre that was under inflated.

    Bring back the 403 and 404's I reckon.

    Too much technology in these new cars.

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    G'day,
    how do you connect it to the computer thingy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pug206gti View Post
    G'day,
    how do you connect it to the computer thingy?
    One does not know the answer to that question.

    Too technical.

    Three weeks ago I purchased one of those new iPad 2 things. Trouble is I can't find the 10 years old in the box to connect it up for me, so how do you think I would go hooking the spare tyre up to the cars computer?

    But I am sure someone on this forum will be able to tell both of us the answer to that question.

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    The spare wheel does not have a sensor which is why it will be saying there is an error.

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    [Edit] What he said ^^^^^^^^

    Sounds like your TPMS (tire pressure measuring system) is on the blink - depending on which version is fitted the cure is different. Many systems have a reset you do after replacing a tyre. Also your spare may lack the sensor completely (did they fit one when you got the full size alloy?)

    The dealer maybe your only hope - they can make sure each one is working properly and communicating with the BSI/CPU (sometimes they need to be "paired") .. or the sensor could be dead. Either way you are probably looking at $100-$200 or more ..
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    You could replace the blown tire with the spare one on the original rim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doush_504 View Post
    You could replace the blown tire with the spare one on the original rim

    That's what I am going to do.
    I'll be in Paris next week, so I will call in on the Peugeot people to see if they will build me a brand new 403 with a 2 litre 504 injected engine and a five speed gearbox with disc brakes.
    Many thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahammac View Post

    Bring back the 403 and 404's I reckon.

    Too much technology in these new cars.

    Regards Graham

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    Have i got this right, it has a sensor system that doesn't work when it should but is happy to tell you that it can't work when you don't need it, because you had to cover its track to keep the car on the road. Sounds like PSA has too many 'design engineers' and too many terminals on their computer. Graham, while you are chatting to Paris why not ask them for a download to by-pass this POS.

    BTW - have found that 14YO's are better at understanding what old frts need on their computer - 10 YO 's want to give you the really advanced stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC View Post
    [Edit] What he said ^^^^^^^^

    Sounds like your TPMS (tire pressure measuring system) is on the blink - depending on which version is fitted the cure is different. Many systems have a reset you do after replacing a tyre. Also your spare may lack the sensor completely (did they fit one when you got the full size alloy?)

    The dealer maybe your only hope - they can make sure each one is working properly and communicating with the BSI/CPU (sometimes they need to be "paired") .. or the sensor could be dead. Either way you are probably looking at $100-$200 or more ..
    G'day,
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    Quote Originally Posted by grahammac View Post
    That's what I am going to do.
    I'll be in Paris next week, so I will call in on the Peugeot people to see if they will build me a brand new 403 with a 2 litre 504 injected engine and a five speed gearbox with disc brakes.
    Many thanks.

    Regards
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    just mention my name, you'll be right.
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    Is it a case of the new tyre being slightly larger than the others due to wear rate and therefore the computer thinks its not correct? ( not sure how the sensors work so bit of a long shot )
    Or is there a reset for the tire sensory systems?

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    the TPS sensors fitted to the rim are on a metal valve stem the non-TPS are a stamdard black valve stem so unless its metal one cannot connect to the system - I am told that one the wheel rotates above a certain speed the system automatically registers the TPS sensor hopr this helps
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    jus change the computers language to Russian and you never have to worry about it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahammac View Post
    ... I have put the spare tyre on (first time on the car - car has only done 44,000km's).

    I took the car for a drive to check the pressures all round.

    Once I had done that the bloody on board computer that thinks it knows everything tells me that the new tyre is not connected to the on-board computer monitoring thingo.

    Smart arse. It didn't say a word before the front tyre blew. About 15 seconds after it blew it told me that I had a front tyre that was under inflated.
    They are good at detecting slow leaks (e.g. nail in tyre) where our eyes wouldn't notice the puncture straight away, especially on low-profile tyres which are difficult to determine by sight alone.

    If said blow-out was so severe that you noticed straight away, one doesn't need a computer to tell you what just happened, do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by pug206gti View Post
    G'day,
    how do you connect it to the computer thingy?
    The inflation sensors (x4) communicate with the computer using a wireless transmitter.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeKa View Post
    The spare wheel does not have a sensor which is why it will be saying there is an error.
    Yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doush_504 View Post
    You could replace the blown tire with the spare one on the original rim
    Quote Originally Posted by grahammac View Post
    That's what I am going to do...
    Many thanks.
    Should do the trick.

    Quote Originally Posted by cam85 View Post
    Is it a case of the new tyre being slightly larger than the others due to wear rate and therefore the computer thinks its not correct? ( not sure how the sensors work so bit of a long shot )
    Or is there a reset for the tire sensory systems?

    Cam
    Some systems use the ABS sensor to detect differences in a tyre's rolling circumference (because an inflated tyre rolls differently compared to a deflated tyre), which is an indirect method. This can be subject to many influences, like tyre wear, vehicle heavily loaded on one side or on one axle, wheels are rotated or swapped, etc. so these cars have a reset or calibration button.

    PSA use sensors that are mounted on the wheel, and actually measure the inflation pressure and temperature, which is a direct method and hence more accurate, so no reset button is necessary.

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    and if you have an RT3 or RT4 navigation you can ask your dealer if he wants to install the extra screen in your menu where you can see the tire pressure
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    Quote Originally Posted by grahammac View Post
    That's what I am going to do.
    I'll be in Paris next week, so I will call in on the Peugeot people to see if they will build me a brand new 403 with a 2 litre 504 injected engine and a five speed gearbox with disc brakes.
    Many thanks.

    Regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    Can you get them to build a brand new 504 TI for me please?
    Yes that would be nice, but I am really looking for a 505 wagon 4 x 4.

    I noticed one for sale recently on ebay.fr.

    On the tyre issue.

    I have just had four new Kumho's fitted to the 407 coupe and they are much quieter than the original Pirelli's that it came with.

    Let's see how they wear. It has taken me 5 years to do 44,000kms on the original set.

    I am a bit miffed at the attitude of the Peugeot dealer who continually told me that there was nothing wrong with the wheel alignment of the car and it turned out that both the front and the back wheels were well out of alignment.

    The quality of Peugeot dealers these days is very bad and their product knowledge is almost non existent. Their general care factor is zero.

    Graham

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahammac View Post
    I noticed one for sale recently on ebay.fr.
    Dangels come up regularly on ebay.fr.

    In 2006 in 2 months in France I saw more Dangels (3) and 504 cabriolets/coupes (2/1) than 504/505 sedans or wagons (1).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uffee View Post
    Dangels come up regularly on ebay.fr.

    In 2006 in 2 months in France I saw more Dangels (3) and 504 cabriolets/coupes (2/1) than 504/505 sedans or wagons (1).
    Good, I am going to France next week and will be in Europe for five weeks.

    If I see a good Dangel either 504 or 505 I follow the guy and make him an offer.

    Regards Graham

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    Re. cars that talk to you. Friends of mine bought a C5 a few years ago. They also looked at the Renault Laguna. They preferred the C5 because the Renault told you what needed to be done, the C5 just quietly did it for you - for example closing the windows if they are just down a crack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grahammac View Post
    I'll be in Paris next week, so I will call in on the Peugeot people to see if they will build me a brand new 403 with a 2 litre 504 injected engine and a five speed gearbox with disc brakes.
    Many thanks.

    Regards
    Graham
    404's were built to this spefication, in Sth Africa I think, I say an imported one at Mt Buffalo many winters ago. Love to know it's wereabouts.

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