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    Default 205 race seat mounting - bottom mount seat

    All,

    I purchased a cheap race seat about 12 months ago that was supplied with some home made brackets. Finally had the time to take it to a well-known Peugeot specialist today, and have been told that the brackets are unsafe and absolutely unsuitable for installation.

    The seat I'm trying to put in is a cheap Australian-made bottom mount seat. The mechanic has suggested that I call a few shops such as Revolution Racegear and buy a universal mounting bracket for bottom-mount seatts.

    Does anyone have any tips as to the a particular brand they have had success with in the past in a 205 for bottom-mount seats? (i.e. the bolts to secure the seat go into the bottom of the seat frame rather than the side).

    All getting far too complicated, time consuming and expensive for my liking. All I want to do is have the driving position lower so I can see out of the damn car properly and it's turning into a nightmare.

    Any / all prompt help appreciated as the car is now just sitting waiting for this to be resolved.

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    Cobra does. I can't remember where I saw it but I have seen one. Are you in much of a rush to sort one out? I have a mount that is pretty solid you could copy if you like.

    I'll have a dig around to see if I can find this link for the Cobraa seat mount thingo


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    Big piece of 6mm aluminium plate. Drill all the holes in the right places, then attack the plate, sensibly, with a hole saw, to lighten. Survived a monumental crash in my race car.

    You will regret the race seat. They are hellishly uncomfortable.

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    Thanks guys. I have seen the generic cobra mounts around when
    I did some research last night but they of course only guarantee that they will fit cobra seats.

    The 6mm aluminium plate does sound like a better idea and something I could potentially knock up at home, but would prefer the mechanic to do it for me frankly.

    Race seat will definitely be uncomfortable, especially with the new konis, but I need to get it fitted so I can fit in the car properly. At the moment I'm slouching to see out the windscreen.
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    Mine is pretty good. The only uncomfortable bit I find is getting in and out of the thing.


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    This iis the kind of thing that I came across last night:

    https://www.americanautos.com.au/cgi...ct&option=639F



    How would I have any confidence that it would fit the 205? The other question is that many websites say that such a slider mechanism needs to be mounted to a vehicle-specific base, and good luck finding one for a 205 in Aust!
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    Have you tried removing the tilt mecanism from the bottom of your seat (assuming you have the original seats fitted)?
    This gives a worthwhile reduction in height.
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    You will regret the race seat. They are hellishly uncomfortable.

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    I have old cobra seats in my car and the coilovers etc, I find it 'comfortable enough' on the bitumen. My seat is attached by a plate welded up and with holes drilled into it to suit the mount spots and the seats - with 8 high tensile bolts holding it all together and is like a rock. the mount also lets you adds washers etc as spacers to get the seats on the angles you really want. Pm me if you want a better explanatation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    Have you tried removing the tilt mecanism from the bottom of your seat (assuming you have the original seats fitted)?
    This gives a worthwhile reduction in height.
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    I have not... I guess that is another option. Define "worthwhile". I need like 10 cms to get in with a helmet, but maybe the tilt mechanism would get me a few cms that would be useful for street driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langers View Post
    I have not... I guess that is another option. Define "worthwhile". I need like 10 cms to get in with a helmet, but maybe the tilt mechanism would get me a few cms that would be useful for street driving.
    2 or 3 CM you wouldn't be able to work the pedals with 10cm.
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    Does your car have a sunroof by any chance? The roof lining is lower with a sunroof.

    If it is a base mounted seat you won't get super low as the mounting beams on the floor prevent a big drop.

    The seat and base DjB8V has is my old set up, I needed to drop a touch lower for more helmet clearance and went for a side mounted seat in order to achieve this.

    To get lower would mean cutting the mounting beams out, I have seen this done with 205's in the UK but this has been for dedicated track/rally cars and has the appropiate strengthing re-added. If you look on the 205GTi drivers forum there is some good threads on race seat mounting.

    As mentioned above you can remove the tilt mechanism from the standard seat rails which will give a small drop but to get a drop like 10cm will require some cutting!
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    A renault fuego has the brackets and special low profile bolts you want, but I'd bolt it hard and gain an extra 40mm height.

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    We have always made our own mounts for bottom mounts or to take side mount brackets.

    The 205 has roll cage used - strong and helps car rigiditly


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    oh, the cut outs are to take a flat infill piece to help mount a bracket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugsy View Post
    Does your car have a sunroof by any chance? The roof lining is lower with a sunroof.

    If it is a base mounted seat you won't get super low as the mounting beams on the floor prevent a big drop.

    The seat and base DjB8V has is my old set up, I needed to drop a touch lower for more helmet clearance and went for a side mounted seat in order to achieve this.

    To get lower would mean cutting the mounting beams out, I have seen this done with 205's in the UK but this has been for dedicated track/rally cars and has the appropiate strengthing re-added. If you look on the 205GTi drivers forum there is some good threads on race seat mounting.

    As mentioned above you can remove the tilt mechanism from the standard seat rails which will give a small drop but to get a drop like 10cm will require some cutting!
    Hi, pugsy, no sunroof, I make a point of not buying cars with such devices as there's no chance I'll fit in.

    Mechanic is removing the tilt mechanism, and then we'll see how much extra height I need. A member here has kindly offered to fabricate a basic mount for me at some stage over the next couple of months if I need it, and maybe a side mount seat is also in order. 1 year and MANY thousands of dollars later maybe I'll finally get it out on a track...

    Ever since I bought the car I thought those mounting beams would be a PITA to deal with... would need to figure out a way to ensure the car doesn't lose strength once the beams are removed. (pehaps just some beams behind and in front of where the seat ends up?
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    reminds me of this



    Lets just say we have a few pugs about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langers View Post
    1 year and MANY thousands of dollars later maybe I'll finally get it out on a track...

    ?

    You sound a bit surprised than an old, French, racecar is costing you money? a cocaine habit would have been cheaper...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langers View Post
    Race seat will definitely be uncomfortable, especially with the new konis, but I need to get it fitted so I can fit in the car properly. At the moment I'm slouching to see out the windscreen.
    I've got the racetech 4009w and its comfortable as any passenger car seat i've been in...

    I've driven over 600km in a day perfectly fine in it... I think it comes down to the seat you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    You sound a bit surprised than an old, French, racecar is costing you money? a cocaine habit would have been cheaper...
    Gah! I know... it's alright though, once you've sorted your car I'll just buy that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRTDVL View Post
    ..I think it comes down to the seat you have.
    or how fat you ass is.

    Dr, whats your waist measurement???



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    Haha Jo I'm not that big, size 36 or 38 typically - =;-P

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    I bought an AUTOTECHNICA seat through 'Parts 4 Auto', de-badged it, bolted the slide mechanism from a original 205 seat on and used the original hi-tensile bolts. No doubt its stronger.

    The seat also came same with steel seat brackets, solid as...steel.

    see pic attached.

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