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    Hello All,

    I 'picked up' a 504 D during the week and really didn't have any idea of what I might do with it, but I've been using it as my main car for the last few days and I like it .

    The car is the NA Diesel with a 5 speed sitting behind it, it's no race car but seems to pull pretty well, it's got some rust in the bottoms of the doors and a little in the rear panel (usual places). The car has been 'restored' at some stage over the last few years and the seats are re-trimmed, re-spray (it's a holden colour) and the engine and gearbox out of a 505D put in.

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    I guess the question is, what do people think of using something like this as a daily? I've got my clean '73 petrol for club days but I thought this might be a good economical daily?

    Anyway, here are a couple of photos, tell me what you think!

    Ben

    PS A big thanks to Bob D for putting me onto it!
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    That's a terrific daily driver. Should get you 35-40mpg? Looks very nice from the photos. Looks like a 1979 model.
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    Thanks John, it's pretty good just a little bit of rust!
    Looks like it could be a goer, I'd like a late one with a few minor mods
    Might put the gti swaybar on it I've got in the shed!
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    So so slow. But then again, Hobart doesn't have any traffic which you need to keep up with!

    If you can get good economy out of it - why not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    So so slow. But then again, Hobart doesn't have any traffic which you need to keep up with!

    If you can get good economy out of it - why not!
    Yeah true! Although it seems to go OK, just need to remember to plant your foot if you pull out into traffic!

    I might fill it up and see how it does over a couple of tanks on economy and then decide

    Oh and it's an 8th month 80 car
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    Looks great!

    I still miss my 504 wagon with XD2 diesel and 5 speed. The diesel is, of course, a completely different driving style to a petrol engine, but once you get the hang of it, the 504s very comfortably keep up with traffic, and you can really get used to the reliability and economy of the diesel.

    Well done, and welcome to the diesel fraternity!
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    hi ben our used to do 16 kms to a litre all day even when towing a tandem trailer to hobart and back best speed for economy in it was 95kmh otherwise it could use quit a bit

    ps must catch up and get those other bits soon

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    I used to get consistent 50+ MPG from a 79 model,- 150k top speed if you have the 'territory' to do that but you will need a long straight road....

    great country car - tad slow in the city but yes Hobart would be ok.

    Great car till my ex wore it out!

    something to do with the cow on the back seat, 2 dogs in cages, 1 cat in cage & 2 lambs on the front seat & all her opperating tools in the boot. Vets dont opperate on cars....

    Wish i still had the photo she kindly??... took for me.

    Seriously a great car & i think you'll be happy with it as long as you dont try to "drag" anything any more powerful than a Honda Zot.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenouille View Post

    Great car till my ex wore it out!

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    You poor [email protected] If she did that to a Pug diesel I can only guess at what she did to you...

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    Gday Guys,

    Thanks for the feedback it just confirms what I was thinking....she can stay .

    I just put a 27mm front GTI swaybar on it which I had in the shed and that has made it feel a lot better on turn in.

    The big thing of note though while I was under it I found a little snail hiding under the intake...turns out it is an XD2S turbo after all

    Anyways, I am really enjoying using a 504 as my daily again, it's been a few years!

    Cheers
    Ben

    PS Yeah Balki, i've got a bit more stuff here for that car as well.
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    Yep!!

    she rolled my petrol 504 before that - 3 days after i had finished rebuilding the motor & G'box - it was an excellent car!!

    will try to find a pic of it after it was rolled -
    every panel bent, things i know were in the boot somehow ended up underneath the carpet in the front footwell??

    Amazingly she was, other than shocked, completely unhurt. I got it going again & drove it around the back paddock for about 6 months just to get some use out of the engine / box.

    Sold it to a guy sight unseen - told him the body was stuffed but mech was all good. Drove it into his workshop (from the trailer around the corner) - you should have seen them laugh!!

    Funny thing is - I get on with her mother even today like a house on fire.....

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    So it's a turbo? Great. They didn't fit power steering too?? That would be a nice mod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug_405_Mi16 View Post
    turns out it is an XD2S turbo after all
    Bonus!

    Hopefully they've changed the diff to suit. I was wondering what combination of gearboxes, bellhousings and starter motors had been used to fit the 5 speed to the NA engine, but if it's a turbo, it's all pretty straightforward with a BA10/5.

    Is the speedo accurate?

    Sounds like you've got yourself a top little car there! Let's wind some boost and fueling into it and watch it boogie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demannu View Post
    Bonus!

    Hopefully they've changed the diff to suit. I was wondering what combination of gearboxes, bellhousings and starter motors had been used to fit the 5 speed to the NA engine, but if it's a turbo, it's all pretty straightforward with a BA10/5.

    Is the speedo accurate?

    Sounds like you've got yourself a top little car there! Let's wind some boost and fueling into it and watch it boogie!
    Yeah I thought it was a small win

    Not sure about the speedo, it seems OK, but I will take the GPS out for a spin and see how it does. Whats the difference in ratio's?

    I'd like to look at making it go better once I get it back up to scratch, looks like there could be room for a small inter-cooler . Is there anything simple to do to make it go a bit harder?

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    504 GL diff ratio 3.89:1
    504 Ti diff ratio 3.77:1
    504 GLD diff ratio 3.7:1
    505 XD2S diff ratio 5 speed 3.58:1
    505 XD2S diff ratio 3 speed 3.077:1

    A few differences there.

    Very simple to make it go better!

    Disconnect the hose from the wastegate actuator. Block it off with a bolt and hoseclamp so there are no leaks from the compressor housing. Wind the fuel adjustment screw in 1 complete turn (1/4" 6 point socket is needed). The fuel adjustment screw is on the back (closest to the back of the engine bay) of the injection pump, just below the boost compensator module. There is a locknut on it, and it's usually got some sort of torque-seal marking on it, but you don't need to undo the locknut to turn it.

    Adjustments are very sensitive, a safe point to wind it into is until the engine idle speed (with the engine warm) just starts to increase.

    Keep an eye on your temperature gauge if you're using the extra power for long periods of time, like climbing long, steep hills. If the temp gauge starts to go up, just back off the throttle a touch.
    Scotty

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    1987 Peugeot 505 - as yet unnamed - project car

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    I'd suggest "turbo screw" over disconnecting the wastegate. You can adjust the max boost level. Diesel does not need wastegate but it keeps the engine safe for overboost conditions. Something like excessive oil going trough the turbo to the engine and because of it getting extra fuel and skyrocketing the boost pressure and blowing the engine... Just something to think about And it also might give you better low and mid range acceleration as well. They aren't expensive. Something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Turbotech-man...item335e98a59b Just something to think about

    And you can make your 504 turbodiesel very fast! Here's mine:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScwkQmL1CiU

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    I used to have a 504 diesel but it kept blowing head gaskets.
    In the end I bought a rotten pickup (ute) with a 2.3 diesel and BA7/5 in it and swapped it over. The pickup was a lot newer so had the screw in injectors and the stronger head bolts.

    All I had to do was swap the tail of the transmission from the BA7/4 to the BA7/5 as the pickup had a ball joint thing that would allow the torque tube to go up and down with the rear suspension whereas my saloon had the independant rear suspension.

    The only problem I had was that the gear selector on the BA7/5 needed more movement than the BA7/4 and so I couldn't get enough gear lever movement for all of the gears. I got a friend that could braze metal to make the arm underneath the gearlever longer to compensate and it was perfect.

    It was a great car and the 5 speed really made a difference, but power steering would have been nice.

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    Got any photos under the bonnet for us, Ben?

    With a few weeks with it under your belt now, how's the diesel going?
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    Gday Scott,

    Going pretty well thanks, I haven't used it every day as I am waiting for some new rear shoes and need to get the heater working a bit better as it's not all that flash at the moment.

    I'll get some photos under the bonnet at the weekend, I have a few small chores planned for it tomorrow.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erska View Post
    And you can make your 504 turbodiesel very fast! Here's mine:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScwkQmL1CiU
    I am drooling. One day I have to make my SRDT go like this. Brilliant. I keep replaying this video with the sound turned up, and am being called a Bevan by my wife and her friend.

    How do you do this?

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    Gday Guys,

    Here are a couple of shots of under the bonnet off the 504 TD, also a couple of shots of both of the cars here together (I had a bit of a 504 day).

    Scott, I've sent you a PM about a few things as well

    Cheers and Enjoy

    Ben
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