2006 307 HDI Turbo 2l - Please HELP - Perth WA
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    Default 2006 307 HDI Turbo 2l - Please HELP - Perth WA

    I bought my French beast when she was 18 months old. Lovely car - WHEN it behaves.

    I have spent about $3000 keeping her on the road for about 3 years.


    Current faults I need advice on are :


    A - the ABS and ESP warning light on the dashboard keep coming on. As well as the damn chime and the heads up display has a warning notice on it.


    I have replaced the brake pads all round, and replaced the front brake discs also. There is plenty of brake fluid in the reservoir.


    I have taken it back to the mechanic once but he cannot seem to find the fault.


    Does anyone here have a similar experience and can you offer me some tips of things to have checked.



    B - I have the 6 speed auto gearbox. Apparantly made by Porche my mechanic says.


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    Sometimes it will decide to no longer change up gears. Instead it gets to 2nd gear and revs out to almost redline without changing. The "fix" appears to be to throw the selector into manual mode, and drive it like a manual for a while - an hour or more usually, then I can put it back into Full Auto mode and it's ok again for a few .. hours, days, it varies. It's intermittent. I have not been able to spot any pattern in the times it starts to play up. Seems totally random.


    Has anyone else had this problem. Is there a known fix for it. My mechanic implied that it was a known issue with this particular gearbox and seemed surprised the fault had not shown up sooner. It only started doing this late last year when the car was 4 years old.


    I am in Perth, WA. If anyone has a mechanic to recommend, if that's not against site rules, please let me know. Currently I take it to a small workshop in Burswood area that specialises in French cars. I have no problem with these guys. But they seem stumped for now on the brake warning fault. So if there is someone else in Perth I'd take it there for a checkup.
    .... And preferrably one that won't try to take a woman car owner for an expensive ride .....


    Thanks in Advance

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    For the ABS fault, try replacing the brake switch.
    We had an ABS fault on our 307 Touring and the dealer replace the brake switch and cleared fault codes according to the work log.
    * ABS braking system faulty
    Carried out global scan - find brake switch at fault
    * Replaced brake switch - clear fault codes
    Road test vehicle all ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by KosmosStar View Post
    B - I have the 6 speed auto gearbox. Apparantly made by Porche my mechanic says.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]
    Definitely not. Peugeot licensed the term "tiptronic" from Porsche which is the ability to manually select gears with the +/- selector.

    The box is a Japanese made, Aisin Warner AWTF-80 SC (called the AM6 by Peugeot).

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    theres no point replacing pads/discs with an abs/esp fault present, that wont fix it, unless of course the message you are getting was associated with low pads. that warning comes up because there is an electrical fault somewhere. take it to a dealer or get a mechanic with a scan tool to check. most likely a wheel speed sensor. also make sure all the tyres are of the same brand/series and similar wear. once in a blue moon it can bring up a wheel speed sensor incoherence fault, but dont go replacing anything until you've got a fault code to go off.

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    The 307 has a 4 speed auto not a 6 speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cull1729 View Post
    The 307 has a 4 speed auto not a 6 speed.
    It changed to 6 speed auto in the 2L 100kw / 320-340nm diesel model (only).

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    I replaced the discs and pads because they needed replacing.

    Not because I had a fault light. The fault light was intermittent before the replacement discs and pads, and the frequency has increased until it comes on now pretty much every time I drive the car, usually before I have even left my driveway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KosmosStar View Post

    Sometimes it will decide to no longer change up gears....
    I've had a similar issue with our 308 (same engine and gearbox to my knowledge).
    In our case the reason was 2 different tyres at the rear! Both tyres had the same size and (near) full tread but were different brands. When I've swapped to same brand rear tyres (even with different wear) the problem was gone.

    Make sure the tyres on the left hand side match the tyres on the right hand side (same brand). If there's a difference in the "rolling resistance" the auto thinks you're still in a corner and doesn't change up.
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    Thanks beat - I will check that today. I think they ought to be the same because I had replaced them last year also... but I will make sure.

    I still have the receipts for them also so if they are different I can find out why.

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    Ok

    Re Gearbox suggestion - I have checked and confirmed that ALL tyres are identical, brand, size, etc .. I am sure they were all replaced at the same time too I think last year.


    Re Brakes:

    GRR damn this car ! I went back yet again to the mechanic last week. He cleared the fault codes ? with the computer thing. He said one of the codes was for low battery ?

    I replaced the car battery about a year ago. I can't see how there's a problem with it when the car starts each time with no problem at all and there has never been a battery warning light or a charging warning light.

    The brake warning light stayed off for a whole day and a half this time GRR then came back up Saturday night, didn't come up Sunday, but came up again today.




    I am so over this car.


    If the freaking mechanic with the Peugeot experience and the proper computer and all can't fix this stupid warning light - where to from here ???

    I want to sell this bitch - but no one is going to buy a car that throws a warning light.

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    a year is long enough for a battery to go poop, rare but happens. if you have a multimeter, attach it to the battery, headlights on, and crank the motor. we quote a new battery for anything under 9.6V, around this voltage you begin to notice longer cranking times (only slightly).

    but your mechanic is correct, low voltage can bring up this fault. also check to see if your alternator is charging, should be above say, 13.6v.

    ask him if there are any other faults, it shouldnt have a warning re: voltage if the battery is ok. might need to check the earths to the ECU's as well as the battery terminals themselves. give them a clean

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    I have given in with the mechanic I have been taking the car to.

    I have booked the brat into the Dealer in Perth.

    THey suspect the brake switch going by the phone conversation I had with them today

    I don't like this dealer at all - but have no choice now it seems.


    Does anyone have a ball park idea what it costs to replace a brake switch in this car ?


    Oh and I have checked the voltages on the battery today, with engine off and then checked the charging circuit with and without the headlights on.

    All the voltages appeared to be correct and there were no other obvious issues with battery or terminal connections.
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    Did you see my post above about the brake switch?
    It shouldn't cost too much to replace as it's a $20 part and about 15 minutes labour. Mine was done under warranty, so I don't know how much it costs.

    With the battery, do you get a "bong" noise when you turn the ignition on? That's the low battery warning tone.
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    Nope - nothing ..

    No problems at all with battery from my point of view - and as it is a diesel I'd expect to see problems on starting pretty quickly.

    The battery is not more than 12 months old.

    I have tested it with a multimeter

    The voltages are all good, with engine off, with engine on, and with engine and full high beam on.

    I don't think the battery itself is at fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KosmosStar View Post
    Ok

    I am so over this car.


    If the freaking mechanic with the Peugeot experience and the proper computer and all can't fix this stupid warning light - where to from here ???
    I'm sorry you are having these sorts of problems, but they are somewhat typical.

    I found with intermittent issues on my manual version of the same car that removing the cover over the electrical wiring around the ECU in the engine bay and moving my hand in and around the wires, without disturbing them too much, cleared issues like this for a while.

    You could actually have a faulty component, but you could also just have a faulty/poor connection or two. They are typical causes of these annoying issues.

    You also need to hunt around for another mechanic.

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    Sorry to tell you this but I bought a brand new one of these and the transmission packed up on the way home from the dealer. drove it back in 1st gear and after many threats etc Citroen Aust gave us a replacement car. That car spent 13 weeks in the workshop during the first six months - computer problems which they could not fix made the transmission start off in any gear it liked with no warning - nearly killed me at a roundabout. They said the computer wasn't matched to the engine / transmission setup because this was a changeover model to the new transmission and they had to try and diagnose how to re set it by connecting the car to Singapore (remotely) and on and on it went. Said its fixed! drove home, next day started off at the traffic lights in 3rd gear. back it went. I don't have room to tell you about the oil leak they tried to fix 6 times, the electronic problems, the wheel bearings.......after 6 months and 5000 painful kms the dealer and Peugeot agreed to buy it back for $7,000 less than we paid. Nobody else would touch it.
    All I can say is to try to get rid of the warning light SOMEHOW -ANYHOW and trade it. They are crap!
    please don't dump it on some poor sod privately, unload it to a dealer, but GET RID of it AND NEVER, NEVER AGAIN!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KosmosStar View Post
    No problems at all with battery from my point of view - and as it is a diesel I'd expect to see problems on starting pretty quickly.
    You'd be surprised. We had that bong noise going for a good couple of months before we finally got it to the dealer to diagnose. All that time, the car sounded as though it started fine, but when they put in the new battery, straight away I could tell that the starter motor was a bit more spritely in it's endeavors.
    But, as you said, you've tested the voltages, so perhaps the fault code was triggered by the car by mistake or the battery ran down a bit one time and then charged back up. I'd only worry about it if it keeps coming on and concentrate on getting the ABS warning sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkev414 View Post
    Sorry to tell you this but I bought a brand new one of these and the transmission packed up on the way home from the dealer. drove it back in 1st gear and after many threats etc Citroen Aust gave us a replacement car.
    Can we assume you are not talking about a 307, bigkev?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    Can we assume you are not talking about a 307, bigkev?
    I'm sorry to say that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkev414 View Post
    I'm sorry to say that I am.
    Well, in that case I'm surprised CitroŽn Australia did anything when you threatened them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206 View Post
    Well, in that case I'm surprised CitroŽn Australia did anything when you threatened them!
    It took a lot of work and argument but the car they replaced had only travelled 17kms from the dealership when the transmission went 'BANG' and the car felt like it almost jumped into the air. it was locked in 1st gear and that was that. When I phoned the dealer to come and get us they told me to call the roadside assist number because once the car leaves their showroom they are finished with it. They said it would be repaired once I went through the system..... I forgot to mention that this was the third car we had bought new from this dealership by the way, and when I presented my (in the 'old' money) 6foot 2" 18stone lump of fury straight into the principle's office and roared they changed their attitude. I must say that we were surprised and happy with Citoen Aust assistance and attitude once things had calmed down a bit and Dept of Fair Trading phoned them for us.

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    Well

    $400 later at the dealer in Perth - new brake switch and harness.

    So far the damn warning light has not come on again.

    The dealer also says the gearbox issues COULD have been related to the brake switch issues sending a faulty signal to the electronic crap in the gearbox.

    As that appeared to be an extremely intermittent fault I am not sure how to test for that.

    I now intend to sell the French Beast.

    I am loving my 1999 Celica coupe - and at least almost any moron can work on a Toyota.

    Sorry - but I am over owning French cars now. This is my second Peugeot, and my last.

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