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    Hey everybody. I am a L plate driver looking for a car for my Ps. I've sort of narrowed down my choice to:

    2001 Peugeot 306 XSi (MY01)
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    2001 Peugeot 307 XSi (MY02)
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    (And I know this is the Peugeot forum, but for the sake of the post)
    2002 Renault Clio Sport (MY02)

    They all run on 95 ron which is fine by me. I have loved cars ever since I was little and I want my first car to be a good buy, reliable, handles well and is a little bit nippy

    I'm currently leaning towards the 306 - because it is light, has a nippy engine and I like the shape. The 307 has more features and a better interior but the body doesn't exactly appeal to me. Also, the Clio has better performance, handling and the I've always been fond of the body.

    I still need to decide. Considering my circumstances, which one do you think I should get? Also, information on how the car drives and handling will be much appreciated!

    Also another important question, does the 2001 306 XSi have a cable clutch or hydraulic clutch? That will also be a deciding factor in my choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo CB View Post
    Hey everybody. I am a L plate driver looking for a car for my Ps. I've sort of narrowed down my choice to:

    2001 Peugeot 306 XSi (MY01)
    or
    2001 Peugeot 307 XSi (MY02)
    or
    (And I know this is the Peugeot forum, but for the sake of the post)
    2002 Renault Clio Sport (MY02)

    They all run on 95 ron which is fine by me. I have loved cars ever since I was little and I want my first car to be a good buy, reliable, handles well and is a little bit nippy

    I'm currently leaning towards the 306 - because it is light, has a nippy engine and I like the shape. The 307 has more features and a better interior but the body doesn't exactly appeal to me. Also, the Clio has better performance, handling and the I've always been fond of the body.

    I still need to decide. Considering my circumstances, which one do you think I should get? Also, information on how the car drives and handling will be much appreciated!

    Also another important question, does the 2001 306 XSi have a cable clutch or hydraulic clutch? That will also be a deciding factor in my choice.

    Thanks.
    Wipe the clio sport off if you want it to be a "little bit nippy". It is a ball tearer.

    I'd go for the clio for none other reason that it is newer.

    OK I lie, I'd get the clio because it is a ball tearer.

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    I've just gone through this! And now being on my green p's (can carry 5 people in the car including myself) I find that a four door car is the way to go. This is because my Peugeot's use less fuel than everyone elses gas guzzler so they make me take my car!!

    I started cheap because then it doesn't matter (as much) if you right it off. I bought a very high km country car. It's a peugeot 405 mi16 and absolutely fly's! Heaps of power very economical and stuck to the road like it was on rails! It was about a 90 model so is a bit old but prooved to be very reliable! Saddly it was written off by someone not seeing me! Guess i just shouldn't drive dark coloured cars!
    Well actually it was my second car but the first only lasted about 4 days but dont tell anyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cav91 View Post
    (can carry 5 people in the car including myself)

    Chris.
    Chris's, I'm thinking your next car is going to be a toyota tarago so when your four mates get girlfriends, you can still carry them around.

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    HAHA but my point is that if you need to use the extra doors you can!
    I love Fuego's, you know I do but the pug is more practical!
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    I can recommend the 2002 RS clio, had one, genuinly cool car, v economical, practical, different..... They need to be bought very carefully 2nd hand however due to very likely thrashing.
    A 306 from a granny is going to give you some better luck in avoiding things going wrong.

    Have a 'fixing things' budget either way.
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    your car should be dowdy and average. Not attract attention, because they, [the man], loves nothing more than booking 'P' platers.
    remember, drive carefully, don't let this happen to you.
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    go for the 306, they look better
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    Default This might help your decission

    My family own a french car wreckers (french connection) and as a wrecker we love 306's and 307's. We dont get half the calls on Clio's (and even less on sports) as we do the peugeot's. But I'm not saying Peugeot's aren't still great cars. My sister has a 306.
    I'd pick the Clio!!
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    First your first car the 306 XSI wins hands down. Gorgeous looks, one of the safest secondhand small cars in marketplace and also importantly great fun to drive. Won't attract police attention like the Clio Sport or be as tempting to speed in. And probably half the purchase cost to boot.
    Both my son and daughter have 306s - an XT and a XSI - and they absolutely love them.

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    I vote 306. Cheaper purchase price, cheaper repair (and less upset) when you ding it (which is highly likely) and less likely to attract attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ch View Post
    First your first car the 306 XSI wins hands down. Gorgeous looks, one of the safest secondhand small cars in marketplace and also importantly great fun to drive. Won't attract police attention like the Clio Sport or be as tempting to speed in. And probably half the purchase cost to boot.
    Both my son and daughter have 306s - an XT and a XSI - and they absolutely love them.
    Does your son/daughter enjoy driving the XSi? Does it handle well and feel like it has a decent amount of power? Also, (if it's manual transmission) does it have a cable or hydraulic clutch?

    Thanks heaps for all your opinions.

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    Go for the 307 for safety purposes. You are very likely to crash as a P plater (whether your fault or not).
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    I've always heard that early model 307 were not as reliable as later (post facelift) models, I would say go for the 306.
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    The three of us enjoy driving the XSI, good power to weight and a nice 5 speed gearbox. It's just such a lovely balanced car, drive one. Car has a cable clutch. I think Peugeot discontinued hydraulic clutches in the early 90's.

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    Sorry above post about hydraulic clutch should read " 70s" not "90s".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ch View Post
    The three of us enjoy driving the XSI, good power to weight and a nice 5 speed gearbox. It's just such a lovely balanced car, drive one. Car has a cable clutch. I think Peugeot discontinued hydraulic clutches in the early 90's.
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ch View Post
    Sorry above post about hydraulic clutch should read " 70s" not "90s".
    I think they stopped it in the 505, but my 1982 504 has a hydraulic clutch.
    So maybe in the early 80s
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    306 would be probably be cheaper to insure too. This might be a factor for a P plater! I got a bit of a shock when I went to insure my Mi16 as a 20-year-old.
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    As suggested above, go the dowdy look so as to not attract excess attention. Do not add bling - it only adds weight and theft ability. Having said that I think 306XSi's are great little machine.

    Make sure the car is insured for at least third party property damage. Not only will this protect your finances it also provides compensation to the person who's property you may damage. If you were to buy something to fast and flash you may find you cannot get insurance or it is horrendously expensive.

    Go and do a proper defensive driving course - not a "lets do donuts around a skid pan mug lair day" a proper course that teaches you more about driving.

    When you're driving your car, or anyone else's, remember that the mobile phone can wait until you at least safely stop the car.

    Now after sounding like a grumpy old man (I'm not that old...) make sure you buy the best car you can afford, treat it with respect, and treat yourself and other road users with respect as well, and enjoy a safe and happy driving career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ch View Post
    The three of us enjoy driving the XSI, good power to weight and a nice 5 speed gearbox. It's just such a lovely balanced car, drive one. Car has a cable clutch. I think Peugeot discontinued hydraulic clutches in the early 90's.
    I am currently learning on a hydraulic clutch, will moving to a cable clutch be a big problem? I heard it's really heavy and different compared to a hydraulic clutch...

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    You'll be fine mate!
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    I learnt to drive on a Grey Fergie tractor with no brakes. Set me up for life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo CB View Post
    I am currently learning on a hydraulic clutch, will moving to a cable clutch be a big problem? I heard it's really heavy and different compared to a hydraulic clutch...
    It is subtly different in application, but most the difference is in its engineering.

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    Go the 306 XSI. Handling on the 306 is bliss, corners so well. Have driven an XT sedan for years and loved it, the Xsi only adds more responsive power with out adding death speed (parents note). Early 307's do have a questionable reputation.
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    dont know if there is any relevance but i bought my 21 year old son a 94 306xt after
    shipping a number of dead cars out of the driveway. he flogged that little car with no mercy
    for 45000k including one t-bone to rear passenger door and at least 2 trips into the weeds on
    the side of the road that i know of. after i picked it up from his place where it it had sat for 4 months( runs like shit dad) i drained less than a litre of oil out of the sump. anyway im impressed, after a service and a good cleanup, a bit of mucking around with the sensor connections around the throttle body it drives like champion even tho it looks like its been in a demo derby. tough car

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    The 306 XSi has a cable clutch (I'm reasonably certain) whereas the 206, 207, 307, 308, 406, 407, etc. all have hydraulic clutches, so there's nothing discontinued about Peugeot's use of hydraulic clutches.

    One thing about the 306 clutch is that it is heavy. You may not like it.

    I'll also vote for the 306. An XSi would be a great first car. Just make sure that the heater works.
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