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    Default 505 wagon diff oil

    g'day all,
    thought that i'd check the oil level in the 92 wagon today, strange little square
    drives in the fill and drain plugs. did the rounds of tool shops but was unable to locate
    a tool to do the job. has any body got any ideas of what can be used to undo these plugs
    or perhaps where i can buy this tool or if you have a spare that i could purchase.

    any info would be much appreciated.

    cheers

    chris

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    The special tool is also required for the sump plug on the motor on the GTI...
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    Same tool as well for the 504.
    I'll go photograph it & come back to you.
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    2005 406 2.0L automatic (Replaced with a 2013 C5)
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    And here it is.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 505 wagon diff oil-img_0467.jpg   505 wagon diff oil-img_0468.jpg  
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    2012 308 1.6 VTi Vapor Grey manual H/B (35000 Km)
    1994 405 1.6 white manual sedan (208 000 Km)
    1992 605 SV24 (91 000 Km)
    2005 406 2.0L automatic (Replaced with a 2013 C5)
    1983 505 GR white manual sedan with A/C (170000 Km)

    All since new


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    They're just an 8mm square drive. They're available at a lot of places. I've got a spare one you can borrow if you're nearby and promise to return it, where in Adelaide are you?
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    im in happy valley , by the look of doush_504 's tool its had a bit of work(no pun or glorification intented) but i have tried 8mm stainless square(too soft) and a ground down
    3/8 extension(snapped off at the ball bearing), vice grips wont grab it and the square hole
    is starting to look a bit ordinary,it's a tight sucker and ill take you up on your offer scott,
    perhaps all i need is to crack this thing then do it back up without 100ft/pd of torque, if you you would PM your number i'll make contact and see if we can sort this out

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdt View Post
    im in happy valley , by the look of doush_504 's tool its had a bit of work(no pun or glorification intented) but i have tried 8mm stainless square(too soft) and a ground down
    3/8 extension(snapped off at the ball bearing), vice grips wont grab it and the square hole
    is starting to look a bit ordinary,it's a tight sucker and ill take you up on your offer scott,
    perhaps all i need is to crack this thing then do it back up without 100ft/pd of torque, if you you would PM your number i'll make contact and see if we can sort this out

    cheers

    chris
    It's had a bit of work because a pal was trying to open the oil sump plug at the opposite direction. He did not know that it is inversed (it opens clockwise) so he kept trying until he bent the tool
    Chadi

    1982 504 SR white manual sedan with A/C (257 000 Km)
    2012 308 1.6 VTi Vapor Grey manual H/B (35000 Km)
    1994 405 1.6 white manual sedan (208 000 Km)
    1992 605 SV24 (91 000 Km)
    2005 406 2.0L automatic (Replaced with a 2013 C5)
    1983 505 GR white manual sedan with A/C (170000 Km)

    All since new


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    you need to look after your tools Chadi, but its good to help your mates.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdt View Post
    you need to look after your tools Chadi, but its good to help your mates.

    cheers

    chris
    You are 100% right, and that was the last time I gave away tools without supervision (unless for trusted friends of course)
    But to be honest the thing still works perfectly and he even offered to buy me a new one but I told him that since it works that won't be necessary.
    And it had cost me 7 $ so no big deal after all.
    Anyway, I hope you manage to find one.

    Cheers
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    2012 308 1.6 VTi Vapor Grey manual H/B (35000 Km)
    1994 405 1.6 white manual sedan (208 000 Km)
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    2005 406 2.0L automatic (Replaced with a 2013 C5)
    1983 505 GR white manual sedan with A/C (170000 Km)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdt View Post
    g'day all,
    thought that i'd check the oil level in the 92 wagon today, strange little square
    drives in the fill and drain plugs. did the rounds of tool shops but was unable to locate
    a tool to do the job. has any body got any ideas of what can be used to undo these plugs
    or perhaps where i can buy this tool or if you have a spare that i could purchase.

    any info would be much appreciated.

    cheers

    chris
    Hey.
    Perhaps use a wheel bolt and grind it down to shape.
    I've had this same issue on Alfa's and Fiats and I ended up welding a BMW hex head wheel bolt to a nut (good quality steel, and the grinding process can aneal the steel so take it slowly and have a container of cold water to damp it), and then grinding the nut down to suit .
    But grinding the threaded section of peugeot wheel bolt should do the job as the hex head section 19mm is easily grasped.
    HTH.

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    GROAN..
    The blacksmiths are at it again..grind a bolt.. quench it in Perrier water.

    Locate The French Connection they advertise on AF. Dave had the socket/s in stock . 8mm for diff/gearbox. 6mm for engine.

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    I got a piece of 11mm reinforcing bar, bent it 90 degrees and ground a square head on it. It works fine, but only if the nut is not really tight. If too tight, the reo just bends. So, in my case, it works on all of the sump/diff/gearbox plugs that I've previously done up with this tool. Others - I have to get my mechanic to "crack" them as I don't have the right 8mm square tool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doush_504 View Post
    It's had a bit of work because a pal was trying to open the oil sump plug at the opposite direction. He did not know that it is inversed (it opens clockwise) so he kept trying until he bent the tool
    Chadi,
    I'm confused. [my normal state]. You say the plug is inversed [opens clockwise?] Little wonder your friend bent the tool !

    svengalio,
    My Fiat and Alfa experience is that they have internal hex type drain and fill plugs. Undo with allen key.


    To ease off Peugeot drain/fill plugs just strike the face of the plug. This will "crush" the copper sealing washer enough to loosen the plug.

    Replace all your bruised and sorry drain/fill plugs or we'll be reading of your exploits again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest View Post
    Chadi,


    svengalio,
    My Fiat and Alfa experience is that they have internal hex type drain and fill plugs. Undo with allen key.


    To ease off Peugeot drain/fill plugs just strike the face of the plug. This will "crush" the copper sealing washer enough to loosen the plug.

    Replace all your bruised and sorry drain/fill plugs or we'll be reading of your exploits again.
    Agree.....Use new washers regularly and don't overtighten.

    For a VERY recalcitrant 504 diff filler plug I used an Allen key ( hex socket) that was a tight fit in the square recess, with a length of pipe for some added leverage. It was the tightest plug I'd encountered and heat/ tapping and the usual tools wouldn't budge it. Trying the Allen key was a last desperate measure....but it worked.

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    @ Wildbeest: yes the oil sump plug is inversed .

    I think spraying some WD 40 may ease things a bit.
    Never tried it (did not need it) but probably would help.
    Chadi

    1982 504 SR white manual sedan with A/C (257 000 Km)
    2012 308 1.6 VTi Vapor Grey manual H/B (35000 Km)
    1994 405 1.6 white manual sedan (208 000 Km)
    1992 605 SV24 (91 000 Km)
    2005 406 2.0L automatic (Replaced with a 2013 C5)
    1983 505 GR white manual sedan with A/C (170000 Km)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doush_504 View Post
    @ Wildbeest: yes the oil sump plug is inversed .

    I think spraying some WD 40 may ease things a bit.
    Never tried it (did not need it) but probably would help.

    Chadi,
    The term "inversed" is not one I'm familiar with.
    South of the Equator here in Aus to remove a drain plug it is necessary to turn plug anti-clockwise.

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    I'm confused too, does this mean that not only do i have to have a tool that was
    probably developed in the bronze age but for good measure it is left hand thread
    as well?
    some things are sent to try ya.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest View Post
    Chadi,
    The term "inversed" is not one I'm familiar with.
    South of the Equator here in Aus to remove a drain plug it is necessary to turn plug anti-clockwise.
    I don't understand this "inversed" think either. I assume it means that the drain plugs loosen clockwise; beacuse I've had 403s, 404s 504s, 505s, 405s, 406s and a 307, I can't say I have ever come across any oil drain plugs either sump, gearbox or diff that open anyway other than normal anti-clockwise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doush_504 View Post
    It's had a bit of work because a pal was trying to open the oil sump plug at the opposite direction. He did not know that it is inversed (it opens clockwise) so he kept trying until he bent the tool
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest View Post
    Chadi,
    The term "inversed" is not one I'm familiar with.
    South of the Equator here in Aus to remove a drain plug it is necessary to turn plug anti-clockwise.
    While north of the equator it opens clockwise
    Quote Originally Posted by cdt View Post
    I'm confused too, does this mean that not only do i have to have a tool that was
    probably developed in the bronze age but for good measure it is left hand thread
    as well?
    some things are sent to try ya.

    cheers

    chris
    I don't think it would be that difficult to find it, wish you luck though
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    I don't understand this "inversed" think either. I assume it means that the drain plugs loosen clockwise; beacuse I've had 403s, 404s 504s, 505s, 405s, 406s and a 307, I can't say I have ever come across any oil drain plugs either sump, gearbox or diff that open anyway other than normal anti-clockwise.

    My 504 oil sump plug opens clockwise
    The first time I did it took me some time to realise it, when it didn't open at the beginning, all I could think of is that it had been overtightened the last time I had changed the oil.
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    1982 504 SR white manual sedan with A/C (257 000 Km)
    2012 308 1.6 VTi Vapor Grey manual H/B (35000 Km)
    1994 405 1.6 white manual sedan (208 000 Km)
    1992 605 SV24 (91 000 Km)
    2005 406 2.0L automatic (Replaced with a 2013 C5)
    1983 505 GR white manual sedan with A/C (170000 Km)

    All since new


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doush_504 View Post
    While north of the equator it opens clockwise

    I don't think it would be that difficult to find it, wish you luck though

    My 504 oil sump plug opens clockwise
    The first time I did it took me some time to realise it, when it didn't open at the beginning, all I could think of is that it had been overtightened the last time I had changed the oil.

    Chadi,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildebeest View Post
    GROAN..
    The blacksmiths are at it again..grind a bolt.. quench it in Perrier water.

    Locate The French Connection they advertise on AF. Dave had the socket/s in stock . 8mm for diff/gearbox. 6mm for engine.
    +1, Dave will have it to you within 2 days of your order and you will just have to rise from your chair to answer the door, end of story.

    If the plug is reluctant to budge, get a tin of freezing spray and give the plug only a short blast.

    For my mind, the 505 diff and sump plugs are all regular thread, anti-clockwise open, clockwise tighten.
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    I'll second that HK, tool buying will be done shortly as will a can of supacool. ive done quite a
    bit of work to my cars (92 wagon, 85 exec, 94 306) and have found any number of things
    that seemed strange but tend to make sense. left hand sump plugs dont make sense.
    thanks for the info.

    cheers

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