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    Who owned this car OR should I say HO owned this car!

    Only saw 3 Pugs in Vietnam 1x504, 1x505 & the attached 404.

    For some reason I don't think that the Vietnamese like the French.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    Who owned this car OR should I say HO owned this car!

    Only saw 3 Pugs in Vietnam 1x504, 1x505 & the attached 404.

    For some reason I don't think that the Vietnamese like the French.
    Looks very nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post

    For some reason I don't think that the Vietnamese like the French.
    So what's common over there ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doush_504 View Post
    So what's common over there ?
    Motorcycles are common.

    Taxes mean cars are prohibitively expensive. From my observations in Vietnam, you get the entry level rich splurging US$50K+ on a Corolla or similar. Or the next step up is a high-end German car. Saw Audi R8, S-classes, lots of Cayennes and X5. Don't recall seeing anything French.

    Spotted a very nice looking CX in Thailand though. And the odd 406 in Malaysia.
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    When I was in Vietnam in 2003 I spotted numerous French cars. A number of 505s and 405s, 505 wagon, Citroen 15, a 403 and 203 parked together, and one 504 taxi. Probably more that I've forgotten, too.
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    In Bangkok, I saw a 406. It's a big city, and there are probably lots of frogs, but that was the one I noticed.

    IIn Vientiane, I saw a 306 in good condition, and a 405 in poor. Most people ride 100cc bikes, although Japanese pick ups have made huge inroads, here and throughout South East Asia. People movers are pretty big, also. They must be getting fat. Who needed a people mover when you could get seven people on a postie bike?

    There are no cars in Luang Prabang. Thousands of little bikes, mostly well silenced, thank god. Numbers of Japanese utes represent the next step up. Vans and people movers are mostly tour buses, I guess, a step up from the maxi tuk-tuk that used to serve this duty.

    In Bangkok, I saw something wonderful, and I hang my head in shame and grovel in apology, for not having a camera ready. One of those pink Corollas which comprise the majority of Bangkok taxis, with doof doof music blaring, neons everywhere, and.............wait for it..............."Lambo" doors. It was sensational.

    In Vientiane, capital of the Peoples Democratic Republic of Laos, I saw the following scarifyingly honest piece of self criticism, much to be admired.
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    The most frightening thing I saw in Vietnam was on the way home to Hanoi one night.

    On a two lane road our driver decided to tuck in behind a tourist bus who was overtaking a semi trailer, as the bus pulled back over in front of the semi there it was:- "six headlights" coming our way fast (none of them motorbikes) . The six head lights did not worry me though:- it was the four headlights right behind the other six !

    Somehow though they just braked slightly and all move back into their lanes and we all appeared to clear by millimeters (I had my eyes closed and had not realised that you could catch Asian diarrhoea that quickly).

    I decided then that I have never done anything dangerous on the road in my life!

    I became used to this after this happened 3 or 4 more times.

    The main thing was that we were not late for dinner .

    They tell me that Hanoi has 30 road deaths a week, actually a little hard to believe.
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    Right, that's it then. We'll be there on Tuesday, and Rule #1 is: "No Taxis"!! If we can't walk it, it isn't gonna happen.

    Any further tips, like how dangerous it is being a pedestrian?

    Tim

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    Oh, not dangerous at all. The motorbikes are very good at avoiding you. Since there are no pedestrian crossing and no breaks in the traffic, you just launch out to cross the road. Maintain a steady pace and the traffic will zip around in front or behind you. Don't run or stop in the middle of the road; you'll get hit.

    It's quite fun actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peujohn View Post
    Oh, not dangerous at all. The motorbikes are very good at avoiding you. Since there are no pedestrian crossing and no breaks in the traffic, you just launch out to cross the road. Maintain a steady pace and the traffic will zip around in front or behind you. Don't run or stop in the middle of the road; you'll get hit.

    It's quite fun actually.
    Yup, true! Takes some bravery though, the first few times!

    Most people ride motorbikes. Will be very interesting to think what will happen when people get rich enough to afford cars, and their status. The roads in their cities just won't be able to cope. The way traffic works there now with bikes is amazing, if you go to a big city, do yourself a favour and go to a bar or restaurant high up in one of the hotels (I reccomend the Sheraton in Saigon) and look down.

    Malaysia they have almost no Renaults, some Peugeot 306, and quite a few 405s and 406s, all sedans only. Citroen has a suprisingly big presence, loads of ZXs, and even quite a few Berlingos, Picassos, C5s, Xantias and XMs. The very first Proton, the Tiara, was a Malaysian-made/assembled AX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peujohn View Post
    Oh, not dangerous at all. The motorbikes are very good at avoiding you. Since there are no pedestrian crossing and no breaks in the traffic, you just launch out to cross the road. Maintain a steady pace and the traffic will zip around in front or behind you. Don't run or stop in the middle of the road; you'll get hit.

    It's quite fun actually.
    Having lived in Asia for a while my wife and I travelled to California and went to cross a road there.

    Chaos!

    Started crossing fully expecting cars to drive around us but no. In the Land of Unlimited Liability, cars stood on their noses and the ones behind snaked about tryin not to run up their arses...

    We were on the boulevade outside the Hotel California. Says it all really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cusack View Post
    Right, that's it then. We'll be there on Tuesday, and Rule #1 is: "No Taxis"!! If we can't walk it, it isn't gonna happen.

    Any further tips, like how dangerous it is being a pedestrian?

    Tim
    Tim,

    Taxis in the city are no problem because they rearly exceeded 10-15 km/h. We had a driver and guide that were bringing us back from a 10 hour jolly to Halong Bay (Full of big rocky islands just off shore & 4 or 5 thousand tourist boats).

    During our 12 days we only knocked one lady off her push bike at very low speed. If this happens to you the plan should be to jump out and yell loudly at the lady, she must have been in the wrong because our vehicle was larger???

    Before crossing the roads as pedestrians decide who is leading, "this is vital" as if one faulters only the other may return form the event. The motorcyclists are really very tolerant and will try to avoid you. Don't think just because there are marked pedestrian crossings that you have any right of way.

    We had a great buffet meal on the ground floor in the Duxton Hotel Ho Chi Minh City, 63 Nguyen Hue Boulevard, just near the 70 story hotel (you will see it). The cost was $49Aud including 2 beers. Included is a grill section at the back which cooked us up (as recommended by a waiter who possibly no longer works there) lobster, prawns, calamari etc etc.

    Always check your accounts carefully even though our accommodation and meals were paid for they tried to charge it against us twice (there are a lot of noughts on those Dong notes)!

    We actually enjoyed the North of Vietnam more than the South.

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    I went to Ha Long Bay, too. What a beautiful spot. There were hardly any boats there in 2003, just the old wooden ones.

    I enjoyed all of Vietnam - Hanoi is my favourite place in the world! Not that I'm widely travelled...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGRR View Post
    Who owned this car OR should I say HO owned this car!

    Only saw 3 Pugs in Vietnam 1x504, 1x505 & the attached 404.

    For some reason I don't think that the Vietnamese like the French.
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    Uncle Ho's 404 has seen some work...it was looking a little sad a few years ago...and was not on display about 18 months back.

    At that time (18 months ago) we saw a 206 cc In Saigon, several 505's (some having roadside repairs effected) ,and there were a few 405's down towards the delta. In 2004 there were still 403s getting round the outer Saigon suburbs with their unusual high boot sill treatment.

    The antipathy of the colonials to the invaders is pretty common...witness how popular the Dutch are in Indo. to this day.

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    [QUOTE=PJ810;921216]Motorcycles are common.

    A guide told us that to ride a motorbike in Vietnam you need 3 things:- a licence, a good helmet and GOOD LUCK!
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    I love Vietnam. If you're still in Saigon, eat at Quan An Ngon on Pasteur St. Ha Long Bay in the north is a must, as others have mentioned, Phu Quoc in the extreme south is also very nice - stay at Mango Bay if you can.
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    When I was in Vietnam, me and a mate got a white 404 taxi in Dalat. Not to go anywhere, just for the sake of it!

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    [QUOTE=BIGRR;921120]Who owned this car OR should I say HO owned this car!

    Only saw 3 Pugs in Vietnam 1x504, 1x505 & the attached 404.

    For some reason I don't think that the Vietnamese like the French.[/QUOTE]


    I dunno if they like the French or not but by crikey the Vietnamese are good pastry cooks, and it was the French wot taught em.

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    Saw a white 1.9 205 GTi in Bangkok about an hour ago. Pretty straight.

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    great thread, made me smile.

    have only been to quieter Asian cities apparently, it's not entirely enticing me to take our 5 and 7 year along to visit roads like that in Hanoi, although if they survived they would undoubtedly have better road sense and learn to listen to what i say !

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    In Ha Long Bay, it is worth spending up on one of the better tours. They have their own restricted areas and you will not see many (if any) other tourist boats.

    It was quite fascinating leaving the shore with about 5 hundred other boats. They all turned left, and we turned right. Didn't see them again during my three days in the bay.
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