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    Default 205 MI16 Racecar - Broom Broom

    Good Morning,

    In the interests of re-building the AF database of info and to update the progress on my 205, I will slowly add more info and photos. *cough* stolen from Isis's thread *cough*

    Basic history:
    It started life as a white 1.6 gti and was used as a press-car (i've got the original NZ Car mag where it was on the cover being thrown around a gravel quarry.) In 2002 the pervious owner - Mark Herbert -built the car for the 2002 Dunlop NZ Targa, and unfortunately didn't finish the race due to an accident. Mark repaired the car and then it's sat in his workshop waiting for the finishing touches to be done since then.

    In 2008 went to see Mark to price up a rollcage for the 306, after 30 min of looking at the rollcage in the 205 to show me was he would do - i was sold - nice rollcage it was going to be... Mark then as i was walking out the door asked if i would like to buy the 205. I took 1 day for me to confirm that i could purchase the car - re: The GF approving that i spent the money on buying the car instead of a trip to the states, which as you can tell by reading this it was...

    The car will be used for tarmac events until i can afford the undercar protection and gravel suspension - so i'm figuring a few years off... (note: 2 yrs later i'm still not able to afford it... hehe)

    Engine:
    Oil Cooler = 11 Row external (i think it's 11 row) Mocal
    Engine = 405 MI16 4WD XU9J4
    ECU = 405 MI16 4WD XU9J4 + Peter T Chip
    Engine Mounts: Customised Factory Top mount, Aftermarket Uprated Lower Mount, factory gearbox mount
    Sump = Customized Sump (Windage Tray, Increased Volume, Modified front)
    Fuel Lines = moved into cabin, all braided lines
    Oil Breather System = Custom
    6Bar PTS Oil Pump Spring
    Custom Heat Shield
    Washer bottle = 309 rear bottle

    Spec:
    Dyno’ed at 128hp at the wheel at 7500rpm

    Suspension:
    Rear:
    Cut down 306 S16 24mm anti-roll bar
    Rebuilt rear beam.
    Solid BakerBM mounts (group a)
    Spax Adjustable shocks
    Factory 1.9 GTI Torsion Bars
    Assuming 205 trailing arms

    Front:
    Bilstien Adjustable Coilovers (unknown spring/spring rate - est 200/250lbs)
    Adjustable Camber / Caster Plates
    306 S16 Hubs with stud conversion

    Exhaust
    Custom 2.5 inch system.
    Painted with Black High Temp paint

    Gearbox / Drivetrain
    306 S16 driveshaft – gear box input end
    405 CV’s
    205 middle and hub driveshaft ends
    306 S16 BE3 (same ratios as MI16)
    Kevlar Clutch
    Quaife automatic torque biasing helical gear LSD
    Upgraded linkages
    Custom Quickshifter
    Phosphor Bronze bushes

    Brakes
    Front:
    Peugeot 307 XSP 283mm Disc / Calipers (rebuilt)
    Peugeot 406 23.8mm Master Cylinder
    Braided Lines

    Middle:
    Custom lines
    Wilwood Adjustable Bias Valve
    Hydraulic Handbrake

    Rear:
    Peugeot Rear discs on Series 3 beam
    1.6 GTI front calipers using standard rear disc
    Custom braided lines with banjo fittings caliper end


    Body
    Painted Silver
    Satin Black painted trim, door handles, wing mirrors, slam panel, skuttle plate, gti badges
    E30 Pre-Facelift lower lip – modified to fit
    206 GTI rear wing – modified to fit
    Sump Guard
    Clear front indicators
    405 arms wiper and 306 blades (larger sweep area)
    205 “Automatic” Bonnet
    Spotlights cut out of Bumper
    Rear 1/4 windows = Lexan
    Sideskirts have had jack mounts fabricated into them
    3M High Temp Foil Tape along trans-tunnel
    88 GTI wing mirrors (smoother and smaller then later gti mirrors)

    Interior:
    Battery behind co-driver’s seat
    Water Temp, Oil Temp, Oil Pressure gauges
    Electric Kill Switch
    Interior Panels replaced with Carbon Fibre Panels
    Chrome-Molly Roll Cage
    Interior Completely stripped bar Roof Liner
    Dash modified to fit rollcage
    Seats = Racetech 4009w & Racetech 4000
    Belts = Racetech (TRS) 3inch 6-point
    Steering Wheel = Momo Race
    Flooring = Checker Plate, sound deadening removed
    Terraphone Professional Amplifier + 2 x touring head sets
    Extended Steering Wheel Shaft

    Wheels/tyres
    4 x 15inch ROH Astrons
    4 x 306 S16 rims
    4 x 405 MI16
    2 x 205 GTI “speedlines”
    4 x DZ03 Semi Slicks
    4 x Bridgestone G3 road tyres
    5 x Dunlop D01J
    4 x worn semi’s for trackday abuse

    Thats all i can remember at the moment.

    For the record, all mods have engineering certificates and it recently passed its roadworthy.

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    Future Plans:
    22mm Torsion Bars, 25mm Anti-Roll Bar
    Rebuild front bilstiens, new rear bilstiens, new front springs
    1.9 GTI Hubs, 309 control arms, 309 rod ends, Quaife Quick Steering Rack, 309 Middle driveshaft components
    Seam Welded front subframe
    New Engine mounts
    Carbone Loraine RC6 Pads
    Aftermarket ECU, Quad Throttles, Upgraded Cams
    Custom Gearbox – S16/MI16 1st, 2nd, Final Drive – 1.6 GTI 3rd, 4th, 5th

    More later

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    good boy! decent post

    I think it will love the extra power once you get there. The UK boys seem to be quoting that the Mi16 engine will give them about 170hp - do you think it is right that you lose 30-40hp at the wheels? I guess that is about 20%

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    taken by the guy from Shutterspeed: http://www.shutterspeed.co.nz/Public-Events/Fiat-Waikato-Hiwi-Rd/13519956_EbD9M#984977522_4bU8V

    Who is nice enough to come along to some of the events and take pics..

    This is the blind crest you where taking at roughly 140kph
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    Things i should be doing instead of working.

    1) Fit new top engine mount - solid urthane
    2) Clean spare front sub-frame for seam welding
    3) Press new bearings into the 205 1.9 gti hubs (freshly sanded and painted)
    4) Remove 306 front hubs from the 205, and get the stud converted face mounted onto the 205 hubs
    5) Clean and inspect 309 steering rack
    6) Clean and inspect 309 control arms
    6) Clean and inspect 309 driveshafts
    7) Fit 309 control arms, 309 steering rack, driveshafts, and welded subframe
    clean and fit new sump
    9) Make up blanking plates for old spot lights for silver bumper

    Other news:
    A friend has given up racing and has given/sold me a whole bunch of parts. Whooo...

    2x 205 GTI speedlines
    2x Goodridge front braided brake lines (new)
    6 sets of basically new (very minor use) brake pads a mix of mintex and ebc
    1.9 gti gearbox in pieces (perfect for the close ratio mi16/s16 box i want to build!)
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    2nd hand rear shocks (Bilstiens from a 306) = installed
    rear ride hight adjustment = completed
    installation of top engine mount = [email protected] [email protected]#H = Done (it hadn't been shaped properly so the buffer pads wouldn't fit... multiple removals and re-shapes = lots of wasted time)
    Spark plug inspection = done = new spark plugs installed (old sparkies where flush with ceramic base for the waste part. Might explain the starting issue.)

    I've also had to replace both the front headlights due to the glass falling out... One shattered and the other came off in my hand when i was checking to see if it was also dead. Re-siliconed all of the headlights so i know have 1 passengers spare.

    Also now have a tensioner bearing for the alternator squealing.

    The 22mm torsion bars are on order as is the 25mm anti-rollbar

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    Heath - the car looks awesome!
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    Birthday gift from mom.

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    sounds like a nice balanced 205 and looks great, pity your mate giving up racing didnt give you a nice prepped race engine

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    Heath - the car looks awesome!
    +1 Looks sweet!
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    dude, your mom can draw!
    S3 205 GTI x 4 and getting lower
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    Haha no, it was done by a guy in Wellington...

    Very reasonably priced - $100 NZD for an A4 sized drawing

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    When it's time to sell, let me know...
    1992 205 Si
    Current: shortened diff (4.4), short shifter, group N top mounts, rebuilt engine and box, solid engine mounts, 1.75" exhaust, strut brace, OMP wheel, GTI suspension & subframe front and rear, lowered 30mm front and rear, solid rear bush, Koni yellows, 306 XT front discs and calipers, ADR compliant braided brake lines, 14" rallye wheels, Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec tyres, immobiliser

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    To sell what? The racecar? Ohhh sorry to say that this car will be with me for a Very Very long time.

    More than likely it will either be completely written off or given to my kids (when i have them)

    The drawing? Get your own... =;-P

    On Racecar news.... Found out today that my torsions bars i ordered as part of the group buy last Aug, have finally be finished!!!!!!!!! whooooo

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    Everything's for sale at a price
    1992 205 Si
    Current: shortened diff (4.4), short shifter, group N top mounts, rebuilt engine and box, solid engine mounts, 1.75" exhaust, strut brace, OMP wheel, GTI suspension & subframe front and rear, lowered 30mm front and rear, solid rear bush, Koni yellows, 306 XT front discs and calipers, ADR compliant braided brake lines, 14" rallye wheels, Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec tyres, immobiliser

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    your right, but the sale price would be enough for me to build a better 205... so what would be the point when you could build it yourself?

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    Langers, a new $50K Commodore will be worth $25K in 3 years time and still be a boring peice of junk, so whatever you have spent on your car is small bickies, just persist with your unique machine and enjoy it.
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    Heath, the brace of your roll cage that sits in the wiper motor bay - does that interfere with anything standard? I am interested in getting some more metal between me and the engine etc in case of a front on accident.
    S3 205 GTI x 4 and getting lower
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRTDVL View Post
    your right, but the sale price would be enough for me to build a better 205... so what would be the point when you could build it yourself?
    Well it's a lot less hassle to buy someone else's car that is already sorted than to build my own. I work consistent 70 - 80 hr weeks and will continue to do so for at least the next 15 years. Buying an already sorted car has immense appeal from a personal effort / work distraction perspective.

    Anyway, nice car, keep going
    1992 205 Si
    Current: shortened diff (4.4), short shifter, group N top mounts, rebuilt engine and box, solid engine mounts, 1.75" exhaust, strut brace, OMP wheel, GTI suspension & subframe front and rear, lowered 30mm front and rear, solid rear bush, Koni yellows, 306 XT front discs and calipers, ADR compliant braided brake lines, 14" rallye wheels, Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec tyres, immobiliser

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langers View Post
    Well it's a lot less hassle to buy someone else's car that is already sorted than to build my own.
    True and initially would be considerably cheaper, however you'd still have to work out wtf is going on with it and then the inevitable human desire for more power / grip whatever will see you in the same place as now, perhaps just in a bit faster car

    Quote Originally Posted by Langers View Post
    I work consistent 70 - 80 hr weeks and will continue to do so for at least the next 15 years.
    I'm no health and lifestyle expert but this is the problem, more 205, less work !

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    Bet its fun!!

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    70 hrs a week? Crikey I didn't know there were that many .
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    70 is really not that much. 5 * 12 hr days and you're nearly there, a few hrs on Saturday morning to catch US end of day and a few on Sunday night to plan for the week and you're at 70 which is a reasonably solid week.

    It's when it gets to 80+ week in week out that you start having problems and no pug time (gave her her first wash in 12 months yesterday!). There'd be more than a few people on this board running their own businesses who are in the same boat.
    1992 205 Si
    Current: shortened diff (4.4), short shifter, group N top mounts, rebuilt engine and box, solid engine mounts, 1.75" exhaust, strut brace, OMP wheel, GTI suspension & subframe front and rear, lowered 30mm front and rear, solid rear bush, Koni yellows, 306 XT front discs and calipers, ADR compliant braided brake lines, 14" rallye wheels, Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec tyres, immobiliser

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