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    Having major headaches with my 206 gti 180! its been running great for about 13000Km but its decided to fail on me of late.

    stopped on me yesterday - finally figured out it was an alternator issue. Been searching all day for one (turns out the gti and gti 180 have different bloody alternators) - any idea where i might find someone wrecking a 180? theyre way too expensive brand new. Im in Sydney btw,

    Second issue - my damn compressor isnt getting any power! - just got my aircon regassed and found out the compressor isnt starting up - fuses all look fine - when we connect it direct to power it starts up and the air con works fine

    If anyone has any ideas id be really grateful

    Third issue - i keep getting an airbag fault light - have no idea what to do. When i called up my mechanic he said something about hardwiring switches but wants $400 to do it which is ridiculous.

    Any help at all would be excellent - if you live in Sydney and can fix any of these issues for me pm me with a number and the cost and ill be happy to give you a call

    Thanks guys!

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    Hi Jana,

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    Let's start with why the aircon was regassed. Had it stopped working?

    Compressor power issues like you describe usually involve the pressure switch (pressostat). It's basically a cut-out switch that kills power to the compressor if it thinks the pressure in the system is too high or there is not enough gas in the system. Perhaps it's faulty or more likely whoever charged the system didn't do a very good job.

    The airbag light issue can sometimes be caused by loose connectors under the front seats. They fall out of the little slots that hold them in place and then work themselves apart, bringing the light on. Push them back together and re-secure them to eliminate that possibility.

    Where have you been looking for an alternator? ASV and Parramatta Prestige are two Sydney mobs that wreck late model Pugs. Alternatively, the new ones on eBay look very cheap.

    Here's a pic of the connectors under the seat. The red connector is (I think) the airbag one in this particular case.

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    Again with Simon on the connectors - they can be resoldered without eliminating the actual plugs. If a car has been "valeted" inside, it's possible steam and aggressive chemicals have slightly oxidised some of the wires, enough to cause a fault in this rather finicky arrangement.

    What is useful, is for the car to be interrogated by someone with compatible diagnostic gear. This will identify the actual branch of the airbag system that's causing the light to flash.

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    Thanks for the really quick responses guys - the advice has been awesome

    I have been looking everywhere for an alternator and still have had no luck!!! Every single one we find is from a normal gti and is not compatible with the gti 180 (according to the garage my cars the connectors are different)

    If anyone knows where i can get one please let me know - they want $1700 for a new one -_-

    I think the guy who regassed my car had a look at the pressure switch - it has never worked but i always attributed it to having no gas - only found out it was a compressor issue after i paid for regassing. The guy who regasses it thinks it might be a wiring issue =S

    thanks for the tip on the airbag switches!! - ill take a look at that as soon as i have some time.

    Thank you so much for all the help guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by janahan View Post
    I think the guy who regassed my car had a look at the pressure switch - it has never worked but i always attributed it to having no gas - only found out it was a compressor issue after i paid for regassing. The guy who regasses it thinks it might be a wiring issue =S
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    Well, it is the classic for sale advert line: "air con works well - just needs regassing"

    Remember - both the compressor and the switch could be working perfectly. The switch may merely be protecting the compressor by not letting it run with no/very little gas - you may have a leak somewhere, so don't be so quick to fault major components.

    You have to work with an air-con person that wants to fix the problem - not just refill it and send you away. If it works ok just after regassing then there is probably nothing wrong with the switch, the compressor or the wiring.

    Does the radiator cooling fan run normally?

    In regards to the alternator, I'm reasonably sure EAI in Melbourne could get you a new one cheaper than $1,700. Have you tried DAPCO in Sydney?
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    apparently its a denso alternator

    any other pugs use them? im getting desperate =(

    cheers

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    Jana,

    It would help if you could give us the part number for the alternator, particularly as you suggest there are different types. Then we can help you look!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68 404 View Post
    Jana,

    It would help if you could give us the part number for the alternator, particularly as you suggest there are different types. Then we can help you look!

    dave
    Good point.

    According to my old GTi180 VIN, possible numbers are:

    104210-3170
    104210-3240
    1042103171
    5-101211-923

    These are all Denso part numbers, as opposed to my GTi, which are all Mitsubishi or Valeo part numbers.

    So, what part number is on the offending item, Jana?
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    Hi guys

    Sorry for the late replies - all your responses were so helpful - my dad managed to track down an alternator and got the whole affair sorted for $400 (inc install) - which wasnt too bad.

    THANK YOU SO MUCH re. the airbag message. Gave the plugs a good shove back in and the message has vanished!

    The air con - ARGHH

    so i took it down to my mechanic - he had his auto elec over - after charging me $100 they told me it was a faulty pressure switch...ok no worries - picked up a second hand 206gti pressure switch and switched it in. nothing. no air con. im baking alive in sydneys weather!

    now im hoping that both pressure switches arent just faulty and it isnt something else entirely!

    Any advice?

    I'm also getting a rattle around the back of my car when going over bumps - and when letting out the clutch in first the entire car shakes violently on occasion?

    My front brakes are also crunching - i assume this is a brake pad/disc issue - but the pads dont seem to be worn down that far...

    Ah im starting to wonder if my love for the gti is less than the headache its causing me =P

    my cars approaching 150K - any things i would have to look out for? im considering giving it to a garage and telling them to sort everything at once!

    thank you so much again! i know i have a million questions but the responses and help have been absolutely brilliant!

    J

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    I have a 180 and it has the clutch issue that you mention, it is reasonably common for this model. I will hopefully get it replaced soon. I have some other problems, but I am getting through them gradually. Thankfully I have addressed most of mine ( I hope) .My suggestion would be to find a mechanic really familiar with Peugeots and get him to identify what the problems are. Then work through them as time or money allows.
    Good luck.
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    thanks for the tip - yep i think i will.

    at the moment my biggest concern is the air con - its way to hot in sydney!

    any advice on that?

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    Get your brakes done before the Aircon if they are Crunching. It will end up costing more....

    Can you find a second hand compressor? Have you taken it to an Aircon specialist? They mat find it quicker being they look at them all the time.
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    Keep trying air-con mechanics until you find one that fixes it. And clarify upfront each time, no fixee, no payee. (but be polite of course!)

    Re: 150,000, you'll be coming up for your second timing belt replacement at 160,000. Don't forget that, from what I've heard the EW motors will self destruct if it lets go. Though I did have a timing pulley sheer off on my 405's XU motor and the valves just got pushed up and down by the cylinders - no harm. So I'm not 100% sure about the EW motors. I wouldn't take a chance.

    Timing belt is an 80000 service item, if it hasn't been done yet at all (in the cars lifetime) you will need to do it as soon as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by max_wedge View Post
    Though I did have a timing pulley sheer off on my 405's XU motor and the valves just got pushed up and down by the cylinders - no harm.
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    yeah

    it was a weakness in that part - the replacement pulley was made stronger. Apparently something known to happen on those motors. My car actually got to 13 years or so before it happened, so can't complain. Plus I did the timing belt at the same time, it was due anyway.
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    Originally Posted by max_wedge
    Though I did have a timing pulley sheer off on my 405's XU motor and the valves just got pushed up and down by the cylinders - no harm.


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    looooooooooooool

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    Hi Magic. Is your Web page finished yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_wedge View Post
    ...and the valves just got pushed up and down by the cylinders - no harm.
    Exactly the same thing happened to my BX. Oh, except for the 'no harm' bit

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    ....and there wouldn't be anything left to salvage.

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    I was extremely relieved (in hindsight). I was driving along and the car just lost power completely and the car coasted to a stop. No crunching sounds or nothing. When I tried to start up again, the cylinders just weren't firing.

    When the mechanic got it and explained what happened, and that there was no damage other than the sheered gear, I was quite relieved!
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    Hi guys

    thanks again for the posts

    so i sent the car in for another diog - this time they have identified a leak - the problem is - that even when the car has been just regassed the air con still doesnt work - which means not only do i have a leak....i also have an electrical issue somewhere =S

    im going to repair the leak myself (just get the parts and swap them in ) then try a regas and see if it works.

    THe window side - i pulled out the switch - the little plastic piece that hits the switch button had snapped so i need a new window switch...only problem is that every other 206 doesnt have the mirror fold in option so i need a specific switch for the gti 180!! arghhh

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    Atleast there is only one of them. The Peugeot parts dealers have quoted me $75 a pop for window switches for my 405, I need to replace all except the drivers door - that's 6 switches in total! (2 for the rear passengers, 2 for the front to control the rear windows, 1 for the front passenger window, and 1 for the driver to control the front passenger window)
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