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    Well, bambino number 4 is now officially on the way and so I have t make a choice between saying goodbye to either the 205 or the 404 and getting a peoplemover of some description.

    On one hand I adore the 404. It's a good size car for me (6'5"), it's comfortable and it drives nicely but it leaks (windscreen and/or vents), the heater doesn't work and there's no carpet or radio.

    On the other, the 205 is a little rocket, has just had a couple of grand thrown at it at Colliers to get the A/C fixed, etc but is a little tight for headroom and doesn't make for a good second family car when it comes time to pick up teenagers from school.

    So what do you think?

    Hearty debate encouraged. It at least gives me an excuse to delay the inevitable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenimagination View Post
    Well, bambino number 4 is now officially on the way and so I have t make a choice between saying goodbye to either the 205 or the 404 and getting a peoplemover of some description.

    On one hand I adore the 404. It's a good size car for me (6'5"), it's comfortable and it drives nicely but it leaks (windscreen and/or vents), the heater doesn't work and there's no carpet or radio.

    On the other, the 205 is a little rocket, has just had a couple of grand thrown at it at Colliers to get the A/C fixed, etc but is a little tight for headroom and doesn't make for a good second family car when it comes time to pick up teenagers from school.

    So what do you think?

    Hearty debate encouraged. It at least gives me an excuse to delay the inevitable
    teenagers are old enough to hoof it

    i am facing something similar except he's already arrived

    so here i have a 604 that seated the 3 kids quite well in the back but now no room for the fourth

    thoughts of telling the eldest to start hoofing have crossed my mind and damn she's old enough to go and get her L's but probably not a good thing for other road users

    a wagon is something that keeps coming to mind but as we don't often go out of town i have time to think
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    Well, this doesn't take into account that the VW Passat, which is an '02 model, is planned to be replaced next May with a 7 seater or larger. The one I get now is to be the second car for when we want to transport just five.

    So do you want to swap the 604??

    I had thought about a Scenic as they seem to be a useful utility vehicle. Plenty of room for younger teenagers and some room for gear when I go on Scouting weekends, etc but without going for a proper 4WD.

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    505 Wagon. 'Nuff said.
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    505 Wagon. 'Nuff said.
    Yeah, tried that but SWMBO said she wants something "modern" this time so I'm kind of stuck with something 21st century.

    Doesn't stop me having very fond memories of the 604 when it first came out...

    And the Renault 16....

    And the 504....

    And the Virage.....


    Will this sickness ever be cured?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenimagination View Post
    Yeah, tried that but SWMBO said she wants something "modern" this time so I'm kind of stuck with something 21st century.

    Doesn't stop me having very fond memories of the 604 when it first came out...

    And the Renault 16....

    And the 504....

    And the Virage.....


    Will this sickness ever be cured?
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    the answer to swapping the 604

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    406 7 seat wagon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zac505 View Post
    406 7 seat wagon?
    trouble with the 406 wagon is that was never designed to be a passenger wagon unlike the 504/505

    all the seats in a 504/505 face forward and the roof is raised towards the rear to allow better seating positions

    if a 406 wagon was designed along the same lines it would be OK but to me it's no better than the crappy dicky seat arrangement ala fowlcan/ovlov
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    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenimagination View Post
    Well, this doesn't take into account that the VW Passat, which is an '02 model, is planned to be replaced next May with a 7 seater or larger. The one I get now is to be the second car for when we want to transport just five.

    So do you want to swap the 604??

    I had thought about a Scenic as they seem to be a useful utility vehicle. Plenty of room for younger teenagers and some room for gear when I go on Scouting weekends, etc but without going for a proper 4WD.
    Scenic Mk 2's come in 5 or 7 seats - there's also the C4 Picassio.
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    if you have to make a choice in my opinion it's easy

    keep the 205
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    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenimagination View Post
    Well, this doesn't take into account that the VW Passat, which is an '02 model, is planned to be replaced next May with a 7 seater or larger. The one I get now is to be the second car for when we want to transport just five.

    So do you want to swap the 604??

    I had thought about a Scenic as they seem to be a useful utility vehicle. Plenty of room for younger teenagers and some room for gear when I go on Scouting weekends, etc but without going for a proper 4WD.
    The 205 fits 5 adults in my experience, so just keep both!

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    Dare I suggest a SKODA? My neighbour recently brought one, and by crikey its a noice car..

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    A Skoda! Sacre bleu!!

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    hehe, don't be to hasty to dismiss them man!

    Neighbours is something like this http://www.aussiemotoring.com/pics/S...wagon-rear.jpg
    looks really well built! (unlike my dad's 307, which has bits falling off it constantly...)

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    At this rate maybe I should sell both!

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    Put the 404 on club rego and keep both.
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    what is it about these cars that turn grown men into babies wanting a 2nd or 3rd identical rattle? now, wheres my wallet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2353 View Post
    Scenic Mk 2's come in 5 or 7 seats - there's also the C4 Picassio.
    Check out the C4 Picasso - interior is amazingly well designed with 5 fold down seats in the back, side airbags, abs esp etc. It was released in 2007 so I would expect quite a few to be coming out of lease. Get the diesel with moon roof and leather seats if you can. The Scenic feels old and small in comparison.

    If you're thinking other brands go for something safe and well designed.

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    BTW we have 4 kids bw 11 and 1.1 - happy to share benefits of my research into 7 seaters if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsieur 405 View Post
    hehe, don't be to hasty to dismiss them man!

    Neighbours is something like this http://www.aussiemotoring.com/pics/S...wagon-rear.jpg
    looks really well built! (unlike my dad's 307, which has bits falling off it constantly...)

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    Wife and I checked out an Octavia wagon on the assumption that they'd have a useful discount on the golf wagon whilst being essentially the same thing. Nope, identical rrp although the skoda has slighty more standard equipment. I'd rather have the golf's depreciation. The Octavia sedan has the hatch boot with almost as much room as the wagon but usefully cheaper. I was pleasantly surprised by the 308 wagon's thoughtfullness and attention to practical detail over the others but not by the price and the mondeo wagon was truly huge inside.

    In the end we'll stick with the gtdt, fuel economy is near enough to the modern diesels, it's a lot cheaper to service and insure and I'd bet the reliabilty of a mechanically injected diesel over anything else on the road any day. If my wife didn't hate how 505s look I'd be hunting for a wagon right now for the impending arrival of 2 workshop helpers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 404ism View Post
    Put the 404 on club rego and keep both.
    That'd be my solution!

    Interesting thread. I'd take the Picasso seriously - they seem very well thought through and secondhand will presumably be cheap relative to alternatives. Much newer design than the Series 1 Scenic.

    There is (or was) a good Xantia wagon for sale in Perth. Now they are a lot of car for almost no money. The one in Perth has had the strut mounts done and a fair bit of other work recently. But it doesn't have a third row of seats and is 20th not 21st century.

    A year or two from now, the Skoda options may be much more affordable S/H, like the Citroens.......
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    Keep what makes you happy. What you enjoy the most.

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    Keep what makes you happy. What you enjoy the most.
    I agree and have decided to put the 205 on Ebay

    http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=320617872081

    Thanks to everyone for your advice and feedback!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenimagination View Post
    I agree and have decided to put the 205 on Ebay

    http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=320617872081

    Thanks to everyone for your advice and feedback!
    I hope someone buys it, the way things are going there will be none of these wonderful little cars left.
    On a brighter note I have found a home for one of the Sis that I saved from the crusher recently.
    Another may be rebirthed as an electric car.
    There are around 5 others that I know of going to the crusher down this way though.
    Graham

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    Hi can someone please contact Sean white and ask him to ring Graham wallis urgently on 0418933071. We are stuck in forbes in classic outback rally and need a 404 gear linkage .. Thanks

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