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    Default New 205 build.

    Lets start again.

    I'll keep it visual for the moment... Info coming soon.









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    thats an interesting shade of red
    Lets just say we have a few pugs about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipcrostino View Post
    thats an interesting shade of red
    Haha. Standard Cherry red.

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    Looking good dude.

    Mines on the back burner at the moment. Had to move garages AGAIN, gonna take it back to Bowral for a while and just build the engine in my lounge room then drag it back one the body is finished.

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    Nice Rohan! Remember, we are here locally to lend a hand if you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam85 View Post
    Looking good dude.

    Mines on the back burner at the moment. Had to move garages AGAIN, gonna take it back to Bowral for a while and just build the engine in my lounge room then drag it back one the body is finished.

    Cam
    That's a shame Cam. Guess that's how it is though. I guess you've got a few extra challenges to overcome so I doubt the extra time will hurt..


    Quote Originally Posted by Mi16 Man View Post
    Nice Rohan! Remember, we are here locally to lend a hand if you need it.

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    Cheers Stu. If I ever need a hand I will definitely give you a call.

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    Default The plans

    Basic plans for the car are:
    rebuilt mi16.
    s3 running gear
    GAZ GHA coilovers, Koni Yellows, or Bilsteins. Any thoughts?





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    looking great dude. I think a lot of people are using the billies with the GAZ coilovers. Not sure if they are any different.

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    Looks good in red although i would say that (mines cheery red too).

    Keep us updated

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    re suspension, I will tell you about my KW's after they go in the next few days. All I can say is that they are highly recommended by race specialists and cost less than equiv. Bilsteins.

    I am very jealous of your build space!

    Put in at least a half cage? - now is the time to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    re suspension, I will tell you about my KW's after they go in the next few days. All I can say is that they are highly recommended by race specialists and cost less than equiv. Bilsteins.

    I am very jealous of your build space!

    Put in at least a half cage? - now is the time to do it.

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    Cheers Isis. Sounds good

    I did look at them before the crash - I think they were a little over my budget... But certainly interested to hear your thoughts!

    Haha. I wish this was my space. This is just where its being painted. Unfortunately my garage is a lot smaller.

    And regarding the cage. Naturally, It would be great for a bunch of reasons, but wouldn't make a great sleeper, and I'm 90% sure cages are completely illegal for road cars in the ACT(?).

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    If you plan on maintaining the back seats, then yes - no cage for you. In VIC I beleive that you can have a 1/2 cage if it does not intrude on the front passengers or reduce the door aperture for emergency exits.

    At some point I will post photos of my car, but the interior has a half cage that might help save me in a roll over, but thats about it. It doesnt have a diagonal bar, so with tinted windows you cant really see it - re sleeper issues.

    It isnt discussed much but the 205 is a damn small car and any extra safety the better! I would feel much more comfortable with a full cage like Graham has just put in his Si rallly car but its no good for the road of course.

    Avoid the cheap coilovers if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis View Post
    If you plan on maintaining the back seats, then yes - no cage for you. In VIC I beleive that you can have a 1/2 cage if it does not intrude on the front passengers or reduce the door aperture for emergency exits.

    At some point I will post photos of my car, but the interior has a half cage that might help save me in a roll over, but thats about it. It doesnt have a diagonal bar, so with tinted windows you cant really see it - re sleeper issues.

    It isnt discussed much but the 205 is a damn small car and any extra safety the better! I would feel much more comfortable with a full cage like Graham has just put in his Si rallly car but its no good for the road of course.

    Avoid the cheap coilovers if you can.

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    That's one of the reasons I used the Si, it is registered in my name so no hassles. with getting the thing registered at least.
    I think a cage like mine (minimum CAMS requirement) is OK for the road in Victoria but the much more comprehensive ones found in most cars nowadays is not, a reason for the special rally permit scheme.
    These cars spend almost no time on open roads, trailered to and from the event and then covered by CAMS insurance whilst competing.
    I like to drive the rally car to and from the events so went for the less comprehensive cage, any lost of safety whilst competing will be made up for by the greater safety on the road when you don't have a helmet on, there is a lot of metal close to your head with the higher level cages.

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    Default Bilstein B6s

    Think I'm going to go with Bilstein B6s unless I can be persuaded otherwise. They seem to have fairly positive reports and I'm keeping under the $1000... Certainly still interested to hear your reports (and pictures) though Isis.

    Guess I should probably be investing in 21mm torsion bars while I'm at it. Might have to leave that for a little later down the track though. Is there anywhere to pickup these, or do I need to make an order with PeterT?

    I cant wait to get this thing into the garage at home (tomorrow hopefully) and get started.

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    [QUOTE=GRAHAM WALLIS;902287] I like to drive the rally car to and from the events so went for the less comprehensive cage, any lost of safety whilst competing will be made up for by the greater safety on the road when you don't have a helmet on, there is a lot of metal close to your head with the higher level cages.

    Graham, I think you will probably by right with the use you are planning. My real-world understanding is that a cop can give you a canary based on mere suspicion of safety issues, then you have to survive (and pay for) any Vic engineering assessment.

    I suspect you are at least obliged to pad the front arms near your head. Vic roads say you cant have a side bar that reduces the size of the door entry. I personally would prefer to take the risk, espec in your situation.

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    Rohan, found this, quite cool: http://www.carbibles.com/suspension_...4.html#torsion

    The spec for my rear is:

    Peugeotsport Torsion Bar and 24mm anti-roll bar
    Fully rebuilt rear beam. Group A mounts

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    I like to drive the rally car to and from the events so went for the less comprehensive cage, any lost of safety whilst competing will be made up for by the greater safety on the road when you don't have a helmet on, there is a lot of metal close to your head with the higher level cages.

    Graham, I think you will probably by right with the use you are planning. My real-world understanding is that a cop can give you a canary based on mere suspicion of safety issues, then you have to survive (and pay for) any Vic engineering assessment.

    I suspect you are at least obliged to pad the front arms near your head. Vic roads say you cant have a side bar that reduces the size of the door entry. I personally would prefer to take the risk, espec in your situation.
    Yes, I will be fitting padding, probably not a lot as the cage is well out of the way, I'm impressed by Brown-Davis, both this cage and the cage they did for the 203 are very neat and tidy. You don't really know it is there while driving.
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    that is going to be really nice when it's done look fordword to seeing more picks

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    Ok, the KW variant 2 coilovers on a 205 are really good. The ride is totally acceptable and cornering very flat. These units are made very well (German), are re-buildable and adjustable for re-bound and this might explain the extra cost.
    I bet you that the cheaper options are also fine for 'enthusiastic road use' and much different from standard. I kind of spent more money due to the high bar that the rest of the car sets performance wise. Perhaps go for GAZ or one of the others. Hope this helps.

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    Default slow progress

    So. I have made some slow (!) progress. Its now time to get a move on - this car needs to be finished before May.

    Just putting the very first things onto the new body, and have run into a quick question for those knowledgable.



    This seems to be how the brake lines I'm using were previously arranged. Does this make sense?

    I'll get some more progress pics up soon

    Thanks!

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    Coming along fine Rohan. Did you do all the prep for the painting and how much for the final paint job?

    Re: The B6's are for street and more so track. [i thought they stopped selling Bilsteins for 205's in this country? ]

    If you want close to the standard 205 handling [great ! ] then go for the B4's with GTI6 rears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jr20516v View Post
    Coming along fine Rohan. Did you do all the prep for the painting and how much for the final paint job?
    Ended up getting someone to paint the body as I don't really have anywhere suitable to do the job. And didn't particularly fancy all the sanding. Final cost for the paint will be around the 4k mark.

    Quote Originally Posted by jr20516v View Post
    Re: The B6's are for street and more so track. [i thought they stopped selling Bilsteins for 205's in this country? ]

    If you want close to the standard 205 handling [great ! ] then go for the B4's with GTI6 rears.
    Funny you should suggest this JR. I ordered the exact setup the other day. Glad to hear I'm heading the right direction. Not quite the setup you've installed ISIS. But it should do my everyday pretty smoothly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rtsnoz View Post



    This seems to be how the brake lines I'm using were previously arranged. Does this make sense?
    Just to call back on this question. If someone could have a look at their s3 gti it would be GREATLY appreciated!


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    Default Brake line positions.

    Yes Rohan, Thats correct. Same as mine
    ....now watch a Peugeot turn into a corner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PugMonkey View Post
    Yes Rohan, Thats correct. Same as mine
    Thanks for that! I wasn't sure after I'd checked the haynes manual and it showed them differently...

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