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    Icon2 AL4 automatic-what Peugot?

    Do you guys know what gearbox has the AL4 in the Peugeot range?

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    In terms of the current Australian range - basically everything except the V6 powered Peugeots in Australia.

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    AL4 = wild horse that cannot be broken in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    In terms of the current Australian range - basically everything except the V6 powered Peugeots in Australia.
    Apparently the 407 HDi will be coming out with the 6 speed auto soon, so I was told by one of the dealers.

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    I believe the 2.2 HDi has the ZF 4HP20 tranny. All four pot petrols have the Siemens AL4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmn
    I believe the 2.2 HDi has the ZF 4HP20 tranny. All four pot petrols have the Siemens AL4.

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    Siemens AL4? I thought it was a PSA creation....
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    Uga Boga

    So did I, but that's what Greg Bunting (Continental Cars) told me.

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    Uga Boga

    So did I, but that's what Greg Bunting (Continental Cars) told me.

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    Did greg bunting tell you what they cost to replace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsydney
    Did greg bunting tell you what they cost to replace?
    Probably a ruddy fortune....

    Having problems in the C3? The AL4 is starting to get really rough in the Xsara....
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    Hmm, didn't know Siemens did trannies...

    Not surprised though, being such a big concern.

    The big V6 has the other German box (apart from Mercs who make their own), the ZF. This latter box is possessed by evil spirits, who disregard any input from the driver...
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    Danielsydney:

    In fact he did, about $4800. And if you think thats bad, consider:

    Most Audi auto trannies $15000
    VW DSG around $8000
    Mercs from $12-15000

    These are figures that dealer parts managers have supplied.

    So there, you've got a bargain.

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    Re the V6 C5 (and Pug 407)

    The new models now use the Aisin-Warner six-speed. Don't know its source; might even be Nipponese. Mon Dieu! That's one thing the Japs can do well.

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    It's definitely Jappo so should be reliable
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    I've only test driven the 2.2 HDi which has the ZF tranny. Can't honestly say it was that bad, at least on that particular car. At least it didn't have the bad habit of the AL4; ie slamming home 1-2 changes on light throttle.

    Living with it might be a different matter though, but again, not in a position to say.

    Disregard any local road tests. As far as they're concerned, any auto gearbox which doesn't let them do 8,000 rpm is no good; particularly if the car is french.

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    Danielsydney:

    In fact he did, about $4800. And if you think thats bad, consider:
    Im just asking as C3 prices will drop just thinking there will most likely in the future have the situation where the gearboxes will nearly be worth as much as the cars themselves.
    As for if my car is ok? Answer: yes its cruising along nicely AT PRESENT. hehehehehehe

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    Is the AL4 "sealed for life" - or is there a way you can change the fluid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Is the AL4 "sealed for life" - or is there a way you can change the fluid?

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    Yes and Yes.

    There is a temp sensor in there that allows the oil life to be monitored over temperature & time; the "computer" will tell you when it needs changing. Supposedly the oil should last the life of the car so long as it doesn't cook.

    It can be changed though, there is a simple concentric plug on the bottom )outer for draining, inner for filling to level). I'd recommend regular changing though, as even at $25/litre the oil is still a lot cheaper than the gearbox. I had mine done at 80000 & the difference was quite remarkable - almost like a new gearbox.

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