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    Default Should I buy a 505GTi wagon

    Hi ..i've just joined the forum!

    I never owned a pug before, but I just like 'em.. the philosophy, the style!
    I've always been a bit worried about repair costs/parts availability etc.
    I live in Brisbane, northside

    anyway enough babble. An opportunity has arisen for me to buy a very good 1989 505gti wagon [i've got 4 kids]..
    what is reasonable money for these?..
    what should i look out for?
    any inherent problems? are these a good car?
    what sort of fuel consumption should i expect?

    does anyone know any good ,honest mechanics [they don't have to be pug mechanic as such, just a mechanic who knows pugs] on brisbane northside?..i'm in sandgate but don't mind driving anywhere on northside to an honest mechanic..i don't particularly want to pay for someone to learn about pugs by working on mine!!!!!

    cheers brad

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradsdubs
    does anyone know any good ,honest mechanics [they don't have to be pug mechanic as such, just a mechanic who knows pugs] on brisbane northside?..i'm in sandgate but don't mind driving anywhere on northside to an honest mechanic..i don't particularly want to pay for someone to learn about pugs by working on mine!!!!!

    cheers brad
    I can't help you with your other queries, but this last one is a no-brainer: Stuart at Peugeotech (aka Pug Works) is at Northgate, and has looked after my 306 since I bought it. Good service, knows his stuff, and always has a steady stream of pugs going through -- the sign of a good mechanic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradsdubs
    Hi ..i've just joined the forum!

    I never owned a pug before, but I just like 'em.. the philosophy, the style!
    I've always been a bit worried about repair costs/parts availability etc.
    I live in Brisbane, northside

    anyway enough babble. An opportunity has arisen for me to buy a very good 1989 505gti wagon [i've got 4 kids]..
    what is reasonable money for these?..
    what should i look out for?
    any inherent problems? are these a good car?
    what sort of fuel consumption should i expect?

    does anyone know any good ,honest mechanics [they don't have to be pug mechanic as such, just a mechanic who knows pugs] on brisbane northside?..i'm in sandgate but don't mind driving anywhere on northside to an honest mechanic..i don't particularly want to pay for someone to learn about pugs by working on mine!!!!!

    cheers brad

    Is this car a manual?
    The autos are somewhat underpowered.
    If so check the gearbox for noise and correct synchro action.
    A whining noise in neutral is common and OK if not too bad.
    The engines are bullet proof but check the cooling system to see that it has coolant not just plain water and a VERY good idea to pressure test the system for internal and external leaks.
    It would be good if it had genuine Peugeot shockers, the ride should be firm, not floating.
    Check the mount on the rear of the gearbox, particularly if it is a 4 speed auto. The 4 speed auto is not too reliable and costs a fortune to fix, worth a chance if it is working well and the car isn't too pricy, however.
    You should be able to get up to around 10 litres a hundred if the engine is running as it should.
    Graham

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    1. Go for the 5-sp manual, series-2 , if you can find one!

    Why? :
    -Because they're nicer to drive, more responsive and more economical than the auto. (I don't like the Auto box at all!!! )

    -Less expensive to repair a manual g/box than the auto should something go wrong and they both give problems eventually!

    Check :
    -Oil/fluid leaks (engine, power steering, g/box,etc.)

    -G/Box when driving, synchro operation,listen for worn gears/bearings,any knocks you hear inside the car when going over bumps could indicate a shagged g/box mount(not cheap).

    -Rust is generally not so much of an issue with series 2 cars but it would pay to check bottom of the doors.

    -Climate control function (the module if faulty would be very expensive)

    -Power window operation (motors are very expensive to replace, switches about $50 ea. new) Remember even if one of the windows don't work chances are it may only need a new switch, use a working switch to check all the power windows if you encounter a problem.

    Graham Wallis has covered some other issues worth noting.

    If you find a well sorted series-2 manual they really are a GREAT WAGON, beautiful to drive,
    very safe(4-Star NCAP rating) and EXTREMELY practical and the last of rwd Peugeot's.
    Last edited by raver; 23rd February 2006 at 11:15 AM.

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    hi
    i had few station wagons and they are great cars you can fit in them more than in 4x4 cars .i would not sell mine if idid not have to go with progress
    and get a newer peugeot ,i still miss it i do have a gti sedan as a second car and for the kids to learn how to drive
    few more things to check are ,what is the history of the car was it serviced well .timing belt should be changed every 100,000 .you can see on the general condition of it outside inside under the bonnet how well it was kept
    this car has climete control system and not easy to fix so check cooling and heating as well.these cars are fitted with viscous engine fan and after 15 years they fail which could cause overheating and may be head gasket problem,
    in general they are great cars very useful and the kids loved the back seats they seat high and can see outside,you can pick them between 2500 to 5000
    dollars for the real good ones good luck

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    ITS A 5 SP MANUAL and looks to be in good condition
    the wife wants the air to be good
    so is the air that expensive to fix?
    can after market air be fitted...cheaper?
    cheers brad

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradsdubs
    ITS A 5 SP MANUAL and looks to be in good condition
    the wife wants the air to be good
    so is the air that expensive to fix?
    can after market air be fitted...cheaper?
    cheers brad
    Brad if the engine and g/box are ok and most the electrics seem to be working GRAB IT QUICK !(if the price is reasonable)

    If the air-con bothers you that much ask the owner if he will allow the vehicle to be checked out by a reputable auto-electrician/air-con specialist that works on Peugeots/European cars, ask club members here to refer you to one in your area.


    If the module or compressor is faulty you should be able to source 2nd hand ones, not sure
    how much but this alone should not put you off purchasing a good wagon!
    When I bought my Wagon the air-con did'nt work either, it just needed a re-gas/service and a new regulator, all up about $165.


    The reality is Manual Wagon's are a rare so you really have'nt got much to choose from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raver
    The reality is Manual Wagon's are a dime a dozen so you really have'nt got much to choose from.
    How can something be a dime a dozen _and_ give you not much to choose from?

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    I have had a number of Pugs and have nothing bad to say about them. I bought my 505 Wagon Series 2 (GL manual) for the cross continent runs I used to do between Zimbabwe and Tanzania. Now I no longer do these but have decided to keep the car anyway cause I find it too good to get rid of. Its done close to 300.000K and seems fit for a great many more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus
    How can something be a dime a dozen _and_ give you not much to choose from?
    Sorry, what the hell was was I thinking???
    Anyway you know what I meant!!

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    yep..i was confused too
    thanks for clarifying!

    they're asking $5500 [aud]

    how does this sound..i would have thought more like 3800 -4500....but is is a good one and looks great

    fuel consumption?

    i've rung up peugeotech...fantastic

    this is a great forum..very helpful!
    thaks everyone
    cheers brad

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    You should be able to negotiate a better price if the air/con don't work otherwise sounds like a great buy, by the way how many km's has it done?

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    Default 505 GTI wagons

    As a guide, I picked up an 88 GTI 5 speed manual wagon for well under $2k last week. It is white (good paint overall), has 14 inch GTI alloys with good tyres, has 370,000km or more, no rego, some engine oil leaks, bad brakes, a dead battery, the A/C is ineffective and it has a very minor ding or two in one of the front guards. However, it is pretty tidy overall and drives really well. If all of this was fixed (which it will be soon) and it had rego, I think you'd be looking at a fair bit more from the sound of the prices being mentioned in this thread ($3k plus maybe?).

    ...anyone want to buy a manual 85 SR wagon with excellent A/C and ACT rego?

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    Brad?
    I'd guess if it's a Brisbane car that it could have been in Stuarts workshop at some stage too?
    Another good repairer in Brisbane is Robert at LeFrenchMotor,@ the 'Gabba.

    As for the 505 wagon. 5,5K is high but if it checks out fine that's a good price. Why? Becvause if you get one that's not so good/tight and you spend 3,500 and have to spend upwards of a grand to get it to what you want you're no better off.
    Parts and service costs aren't too high for the cars and if you can do some work yourself you'll save heaps.
    Oil changes and brake pads are simple as on these cars so that should be a plus.
    There are plenty of us here who have had french cars for lon enough to steer you right.
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