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    Recently my gti180 seem to be losing power/lack of power, went to the service dept., they've told me that my valve timing sensor/component has malfunction. Has anyone else encounter this problem, or, i've just bought a lemon?

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    Thats not a noted issue but as long as its covered warrenty will resolve it.........
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    Unless youv'e been bouncing it off the limiter and they can prove it, you shouldn't have an issue with a warranty claim on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle
    Unless youv'e been bouncing it off the limiter and they can prove it, you shouldn't have an issue with a warranty claim on that
    Intertesting point. I have never been to the hallowed territory of the 7.5K on the tacho yet. 7K does me. For those who have been there is it a "soft" or "hard" rev limiter.
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    Both the S16 and gti6 have very soft limiters...

    When I say soft, they will not go over 7k one bit, but the way they cut it is softer than say, almost any nissan engine.

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    Ive never hit the limiter in my car

    In the test drive the Black 180 pulled smoth up to 7K but cut out before 7200rpm....

    The demo car wasnt really warmed up fully....

    Methinnks the computer senses the car temp and adjust the cut out accordingly...kinda like Hoda V-tec engine....

    At least its smart enough to look after the 180 horses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle
    Unless youv'e been bouncing it off the limiter and they can prove it, you shouldn't have an issue with a warranty claim on that
    Even if one was to bounce of the limiter, I can't see why that would void warranty. That's what the limiter is there for, to stop overreving, and hence anything up to that limit is well within the design envelope of the car and hence covered by warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qd180
    Methinnks the computer senses the car temp and adjust the cut out accordingly...kinda like Hoda V-tec engine....

    At least its smart enough to look after the 180 horses
    plus it's milage dependant I think. On my GTI it used to activate the soft limiter when it hits 6500rpm but I think they adjusted the ECU after 80K and it doesn't kick in until 7000rpm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by U Turn
    Even if one was to bounce of the limiter, I can't see why that would void warranty. That's what the limiter is there for, to stop overreving, and hence anything up to that limit is well within the design envelope of the car and hence covered by warranty.

    Not true... I have seen people had their warranty claims knocked back because of 'mistreatment'

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    Kyle
    my old S16 had been fretled with in the ECU department and I could hard bounce on the limiter with no probs kinda like a video game bounce about 2-3 hits per second. Does yours do that? (not that I expect you to try) - Chris
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    gti180 valve timing
    Recently my gti180 seem to be losing power/lack of power, went to the service dept., they've told me that my valve timing sensor/component has malfunction. Has anyone else encounter this problem, or, i've just bought a lemon?
    Why is everybody rambling about the rev limitter?
    What has that got do do with anything...
    That's not what "206" asked!

    So, "206"; no not common, but it will (if broken) freeze the VVT into a fixed position, so (according to what you say) you only have torque at low revs and the engine chokes at high revs.

    Still in warrantee, get it fixed.
    Just a bad sensor, no big deal.


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    Well hello there, Van

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    Yup, welcome to AF! Digression is the norm.
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    Both the S16 and gti6 have very soft limiters...

    When I say soft, they will not go over 7k one bit, but the way they cut it is softer than say, almost any nissan engine.
    They are soft? I found my limiter kicks in hard at 7200rpm. I havent hit it for a long time but back in the days it used give me that bap bap bap bap bap when those pesky VTECs are alongside and i wasnt paying attention to the tacho needle
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    Quote Originally Posted by sw206gti
    Why is everybody rambling about the rev limitter?
    What has that got do do with anything...
    That's not what "206" asked!

    So, "206"; no not common, but it will (if broken) freeze the VVT into a fixed position, so (according to what you say) you only have torque at low revs and the engine chokes at high revs.

    Still in warrantee, get it fixed.
    Just a bad sensor, no big deal.



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    Yeh, pretty much. Lack major power at mid and high rev range.

    But does this mean that my engine has been damaged in anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 206
    Yeh, pretty much. Lack major power at mid and high rev range.

    But does this mean that my engine has been damaged in anyway?

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    Not likely to have damaged the engine, it will just mean the valve timing is not adjusting at higher revs to give optimum power output.

    As Van said, if the car is still under warranty then get them to fix it, it should not be a big problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyO
    Not likely to have damaged the engine, it will just mean the valve timing is not adjusting at higher revs to give optimum power output.

    As Van said, if the car is still under warranty then get them to fix it, it should not be a big problem.

    Troy.
    Precisely: no damage at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sw206gti
    Precisely: no damage at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCPUG
    They are soft? I found my limiter kicks in hard at 7200rpm. I havent hit it for a long time but back in the days it used give me that bap bap bap bap bap when those pesky VTECs are alongside and i wasnt paying attention to the tacho needle
    True, sorry i worded it wrong, It does as you describe, but it's nowhere near as harsh on the car as my old swift gti, which would throw you forward at a rate of knots if you were at max throttle position. The same in the peugeot is very different, and 'feels' less harsh on the ehgine/driveline

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    Quote Originally Posted by 206
    Yeh, pretty much. Lack major power at mid and high rev range.

    But does this mean that my engine has been damaged in anyway?

    206
    Oh, and to put in some extra information; here's a pic of the camshaft position sensor (It's a T(op)D(ead)C(entre) pick-up sensor in the GTi138, but it has a double function in the GTi180.

    Enjoy!
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