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    Hi All,

    This is my first time to this forum. I am looking for some advice about getting a Pug 205 GTi.
    I went for a test drive of a white '88 S1 yesterday and was impressed, but wanted to know what to look out for. Any traps?
    It has 170 K on the clock. It appears to be all original with the only modification being the Peugeot cassette being replaced by a Peugeot CD player. The asking price is $5,300 which I thought was reasonable.

    I also have some photos if it helps.


    Thanks in advance,



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    Quote Originally Posted by 2pug_nic
    Hi All,

    This is my first time to this forum. I am looking for some advice about getting a Pug 205 GTi.
    I went for a test drive of a white '88 S1 yesterday and was impressed, but wanted to know what to look out for. Any traps?
    It has 170 K on the clock. It appears to be all original with the only modification being the Peugeot cassette being replaced by a Peugeot CD player. The asking price is $5,300 which I thought was reasonable.

    I also have some photos if it helps.


    Thanks in advance,



    Nic

    well... personally $5300 seems a little on the high side, and you could probably get a series 2 (argueably nicer interior read: less early 80's) for that sort of price, but i'll duck for now as i'm sure that there will be a lynch mob of 205 owners in here in a second telling me i'm wrong.

    As for the kilometres, 170k is pretty decent considering the age, but it should have had its cam belt, and major service done at 160k kilometres, so check that this has been done, and if not ask for a price reduction of about $500

    As for the rest of the specifics on GTi's i'm not one to say not being a GTi owner, but i'm sure someone else will chime in

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    $5300 is too high for an early one. It would have to be exceptional. The biggest problem with those is the dash.

    You're better off paying a little more and looking for the later model with rear disc brakes. They're a much better car, more sort after and will always have a better resale value

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    Hi Nic,
    Welcome to AF,

    There is planty of stuff you can search for on the forum,

    But to start with heres a few that come to mind and im sure others will ad theres,

    The engine should start with no delay and run fairly smooth. Check that there is no blue smoke form the exhaust when it is started form cold and hot. This may mean that the valve stem seals are worn and need replacing. Check above the B pillar and above the rear side window for excess cracking. It may have a little but only small cracking. This is mainly due to the body flex. ( i think). Also check the weld at the bottom of the B pillar and check if is still in tack and not cracked. Again due to flex. With 170kms on the clock it should be fine as mine has more that this and is fine. When driving the car the steering should be quite light and the car should track dead straight. The gearchange also is prone to a little abuse between 1st and 2nd. But again with these kms if it hasent been flogged it should be smooth and acurate. The rear beam is also known to be a little on the worn side, Park the car on a level even surface and check that there is no camber on the back wheels at all. If there is the trailing arm bearings are worn and its not cheap to fix it. There may be some wear on the right side of the seat but this normal, a bit of a waek like in the seat if you like. The dash boards are hurrendus and alway break but dont worrk to much about that. Everything should work though.

    Anyway i have run out of things

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    there is that imaculate looking s3 here for $9500

    1992 205 GTI 1.9L For Sale
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    Thats a Mint 205. if you have the money i would be there tomorrow to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orestes
    there is that imaculate looking s3 here for $9500

    1992 205 GTI 1.9L For Sale
    Wonder if he'll trade an S16 for it

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    nah i dont think thats a high asking price for a good s1. for a good s1 (personally) i'd pay closer to 8k-9k, but some of you may call me an optimist. but for 5thou odd, i dont think youre getting ripped. others may disagree.


    these days 205gtis are purchased on condition - and theres some pretty crap examples out there, and some gems, too.

    its mileage is easily lower than the average for its age.

    i wouldnt fret about modifications, as long as these modifications are done properly.

    for its age i'd probaly factor in a new clutch, cambelt, suspension components, and engine mounts.

    below are a few known problems re 205gti, to look out for.


    KNOWN PROBLEMS

    Engine stall arriving at a red light : remove air intake duck between air flow sensor and throttle plate. Wipe dirt around throttle plate with solvent. Move throttle plate by hand and wipe dirt as deeply as possible.

    Oil leak in the distributor housing : remove ignition distributor, disassemble impulse generator and carefully wipe oil with solvent. Change plastic seal (peugeot part #5933.60). This oil leak can cause starting difficulties.

    Mayonnaise in oil filler cap : it's mostly due to short trips. Clean oil filler cap at each oil drain. After high mileage, remove grill in oil filler cap and clean with solvent.





    Water leaking in trunk : remove the trunk's lock then put it back with silicon cement.

    Noise in rear drivetrain : torsion bars rusted or worn trainling arms bearings.

    Tilted rear wheels, excessive negative camber : change trainling arms bearings.

    Blue smoke from the exhaust : change valve stem oil seal. Usually appears beyond 100,000 mi. It is possible to change them without removing the head which decrease the bill.

    Window cranks are becoming increasingly hard : remove door interior trim panel then window regulator. Apply grease on differents gearings. Re-install window regulator and door interior trim panel.

    "Bang" noise from front brake calipers when braking in reverse gear : remove brake caliper and change guiding pins (Peugeot part #4439.05).

    Left part of the driver's bucket seat in bad shape : seat down exactly in the middle of the seat entering the car.

    Moisture in headlights : The glass is coming unstuck. In the long term, the glass will fall down.

    Broken tailgate panel : Side of the tailgate panel are prone to break.



    look for water leaks in the boot. nothing silocon wont fix.


    and yah dashes. early models were prone to have dash cracks/damage. you either live with it, or get a replacement. never bothered me.

    s1 gtis are more frantic than later series due to their gearing, and personally are more enjoyeable to drive. couldnt care about the rear discs, unless youre looking to mod it to the fk. at least with rear drums, hand brakies are easier!

    oh yah, side bolstering of the fron seats will tend to be in poor condition, but nothing leather seats , or seat covers would easily cover up.

    youve already recieved some great advice from regular contributors of af, and i guess its all up to you, bloke.

    5thou odd, is a great price for a s1 in good condition.

    keeep us in the loop and tell us how u get along.

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    considering i've seen decent S1's sell for a lot less then $5k i do think it is a bit over priced, but regie has allways loved his series 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2pug_nic
    Hi All,

    This is my first time to this forum. I am looking for some advice about getting a Pug 205 GTi.
    I went for a test drive of a white '88 S1 yesterday and was impressed, but wanted to know what to look out for. Any traps?
    It has 170 K on the clock. It appears to be all original with the only modification being the Peugeot cassette being replaced by a Peugeot CD player. The asking price is $5,300 which I thought was reasonable.

    I also have some photos if it helps.


    Thanks in advance,



    Nic
    $5300 does seem like quite a lot, but if it is all sorted it may be worth making an offer on. I know that a couple of the melbourne guys have payed around the $3k mark, but these cars need attention. I payed $1200 for mine, but have since spent heaps of time and about $2k more on it - it is getting more mint by the day though! (even if it doesn't run yet)

    If you aren't familiar with them i would insist on an inspection, (by a pug specialist) which should give a better idea of any major problems. This should take the hassle out of it, and cover your butt (a bit) from any big short term expenses.
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    Hey Nic, does it have a service history by and if so by who! IF the owner is willing give Stuart at Charles Street Auto a call and organise to take the car to him to look over it, he will charge a small fee but it is worth it for peace of mind, he will give a list of things that need doing or keeping an eye on, honest bloke and knows 205's Tell him Joel sent ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugjet
    nah i dont think thats a high asking price for a good s1. for a good s1 (personally) i'd pay closer to 8k-9k,
    Jesus, you would pay $9000 for an early 105hp 205? Even if it was absolutely mint I'd still think you're pretty crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis
    Jesus, you would pay $9000 for an early 105hp 205? Even if it was absolutely mint I'd still think you're pretty crazy.
    what are 205's worth in NZ out of curiosity ??

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    $1000-5000 as a rough guide.

    $1000 for a rough Jap import (105hp like your 'S1' and 'S2's) that probably needs a bit of work done.

    $2500-4000 for a reasonably tidy proper 1.9 GTi, probably '87/'88/'89, with the 130hp L-Jet motor, 15" wheels, rear discs etc.

    $5000 for a really nice later 1.9 GTi.

    That's obviously not the be all and end all of 205 buying in New Zealand but a fairly realistic guide in my opinion.

    309 GTi's tend to go for a bit less than the 205s and they make for great buying in my opinion.

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    I second reggies coment that it depends on condition.
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    have a 2 1 205 gti.
    i paid 5 grand about 3 years ago but my car is in exceptional cosmetic condition.
    no cracks at all in the dash[due to regular amorall]
    intereor was in great nick as well.
    altho ive spent a hell of a lot on it[more than i should of really]
    but i want the car for a long while .
    \now ive seen a few 3 grand 205 gti's and they are usually pretty rough or need major engine work or the like.
    my advice is dont rush out and buy the first one you see.
    check out the later series as well as the early .
    see what the budjet alows with a bit left over for all those hiiden problems
    and make up your own mind on weather what series you want.
    you may find a bargain s1 or a s2 or 3 that needs no work.
    the gear ratio;s are better for quick off's in the s1 but the later ones have more grunt higher up.
    and weather its a 105 or 130 h.p you get ,they are still a lot of fun round the streets.-BAZZ

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    i paid $6,300 for an 88 in really good condition with a lil less km's so i wouldn't say 5 is expensive.

    but maybe i got ripped off, jk
    by i'm happy with it.

    it just depends on the condition.
    get it checked by someone you can trust, and if checks out well, buy it.
    you know you want too.

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    Default price sound right, maybe a bargain....

    I think pugjet is right.....it is very dependant on condition, that goes without saying.
    The little gti is in a league of its own (many an owner has regreted selling theirs)...I think the monetary value is "almost" irrelevant....ie what else can deliver this type of driving experinece for so little money, a cheap mazda or hyndai...I think not...
    The odd cheapie and the ebay pricing shouldn t enter into the equation....any good average statistic would have the bottom and top dollar prices removed...

    I d say 5.3K sounds OK, just depends on the condition....May even be a bargain... Either way, I m certain that most owners here will agree that "THEY" are worth every cent....What price do you put on driving pleasure...


    cheers and good luck


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    ps... NZ pricing is irrelevant....If we were to go by NZ pricing then the various jap imports here would be worth less than 1/2 of their market values....Anybody remeber the NZ mi16 4X4...

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    apppologies.....WELCOME to AF....
    hope you enjoy your stay.....


    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by dino
    I think pugjet is right.....it is very dependant on condition, that goes without saying.
    The little gti is in a league of its own (many an owner has regreted selling theirs)...I think the monetary value is "almost" irrelevant....ie what else can deliver this type of driving experinece for so little money, a cheap mazda or hyndai...I think not...
    Certainly condition is an important factor, but whatever your emotional attachment to the 205 may be, it's still an old hatcback in the second hand car market. To be honest given Australian pricing I think $5,000 is fairly reasonable. However good a 205 is, it doesn't make it immune from the variables of the second hand car market.

    Quote Originally Posted by dino
    ps... NZ pricing is irrelevant....
    Of course it is, I only listed it because orestes asked.

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    Wow...
    Thanks for the replies everyone. What an entrance into the forum.
    Definitely food for thought.

    I had a look at the service manual, and I am pretty sure that it has been serviced at Charles St Auto (just around the corner).
    Me thinks I should give them a call and see what they have on the books about the car.
    From what everyone has mentioned below I am definitely going to get it checked by a professional and check recent history (cam belt and 160K service etc).
    A few positives:


    • I think that it has always been garaged, as the dash is perfect, the rear of the back seats has no sun damage and the carpets are bright red.
    • It started first time (after not having been started for a few weeks apparently).
    • I didn't notice any blue smoke
    The only things I wasn't sure about was:
    • The aircon didn't seem to be doing much. I only let the air con run for a minute or so though.
    • The belt was squeaking for a few seconds when it was started
    • The streering was a bit heavy (nowhere near as light as my 206. Then again, I would expect this)
    • The brakes didn't pull up as well as my 206. Are the series 1 discs all round?
    • The ashtray doesn't close
    • Tiny ding back right quater
    • Few scratches on the rims
    I couldn't help it. I have have attached a couple of photos I took (I hope they are not too big)

    Thanks again everyone. I'll let you know how I go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orestes
    there is that imaculate looking s3 here for $9500

    1992 205 GTI 1.9L For Sale
    Yep,

    that looks awesome. Love that charcoal colour

    Cheers

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    Louis...appologies, if I came across as having a go at your opinion....
    Actually, Orestes and me have had friendly arguments about this ( and other cars also) before... He s always deflating prices because he d like to buy one cheap and I suppose I might be inflating them (don t think so) because I might sell my "BELOVED" sometimes in the future (dont think so)
    Either way, just some friendly jousting* (*wouldn t know the spelling if my life depended on it, not that I care)


    regarding the actual 205 gti....I must disagree about the "old hatchaback" statement.....
    Yes, physically they might be old.....but again it depends on ones perspective....
    Ie. some people will say the 206 is starting to show its age....But so what, it doesn t make it any lesser a car....the human experience doesnt change that quickly....A fast car is fast now and will be in the near future, this applies to aesthetics (remeber we are not all good judges of it), handling etc etc....
    So a decade or so later....and we are suddenly all "modernists".....I disagree...
    the 205 gti with all its disapointments was/is a wonderfull feat of engineering that delivered driving pleasure with honesty not many can match......
    We are forced to sit back as companies build "heavy" and therefore more inneficient machines......
    I for one look forward to a trend where less is more.....I can live without electric windows (yes I know the 05 has them), soundproofing, and multi speaker stereos (dont worry, integrated subs are on their way)...power this power that.........205gti was a very nice compromise....

    You are right though....passion does colour the waters. We are all "right" from a certain perspective...


    cheers


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    Nick....just read your reply...

    Listen, I honestly think the 5.3K price is OK (You can always try and offer a few hundred less)....If you are unsure though, DO take the above advice and have it inspected by a pro...there isn t that much to it that hasn t been listed already and any serious defects would show themselves....The little things like ashtryas, I m sure do not worry you....and dings can be repaired.....
    Pics look good but ultimately U r the final abiter.....for what its worth, I paid just over 8k for my car (88) over 4 years ago....so their depriciation isn t exactly plumeting....its a cult car and a classic to those who know what a good car is...
    I ceartinly wouldn t hesitate paying the same money for the right car....


    cheers

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    hi guys,


    im not going to even attempt to get into any further discussion that might cause any brain damage for mr newbie 2pug_nic , nonetheless,
    good replies all round accompanied with the usual banter and (obviously) difference of opinion, which i respect.

    just to reply to nic's post, i wouldnt worry at all if the gti does not have up-to-date books. what is more important is a thorough inspection, completed by a person who knows what to look for - be it a fellow enthusiast or an auto club. here, a summary of the good, bad, and ugly should be tabulised so you know what to expect.

    that alpine white gti is a series 1 - non power steering, orange front indicators, 14 inch pepperpot wheels, drum rear brakes, early sliding ventilation switchgear (which i prefer), early rear spoiler/lights, 105bhp motronic engine, etc, etc...

    paint seems gleaming (and paint on 205gtis was always crap. many alpine white gtis ive seen look more like bangladeshi beige, nowadays, like assanka), and interior - even better. if the dash is not cracked, thats a bonus as most s1 dashes ive seen/heard of, have the usual cracks. normal.

    air-con in most (all, perhaps?) that i have seen/ heard of do not work. and even if they do... the air con is a p.o.s. so not even worth the mention. rolling your windows down will give you better relief, during a warm day!

    should get the gti rolling and accelarate/decelerate hard... see if there is visible smoke, then. even when parked, rev the titties off her. take it for a good drive... and when i mean a "good drive", thrash the pamela anderson's off her. listen for knocking in the suspension, and towards the front of the car.

    seats look great, but bad angle to really comment. doesnt seem to have the usual shagged side bolstering.

    its a non sunroof model ey? it should have minimal cracking on the upper and lower b pillars.

    belt squeeking? could just be moisture.

    steering for all non-powersteering gtis is extremely heavy, at park. but once rolling, provides awesome feedback. s3 power steering gtis are less so. heavy steering has always been a trait for 205gtis. for me its only a pain in the arse during park mode, but youll have the best biceps/guns in town!

    brakes for gtis are sufficient. i;d only upgrade if youre pushing for more kw.

    ashtray doesnt close? could be the locking mechanism, and can be replaced cheaply.

    tiny ding in the back? only one tiny ding??? hey consider yourself lucky and hey its 2nd hand and older than assanka's current girlfriend, and expect a few scratches/dings.

    scratches on the rims? easily, curbing. normal. if they bother you, get them restored for a few bucks.

    from your brief description, i think its a great price. seems to be well cared for, and not a neglected gti. 5.3k? if i were the seller, i'd actually ask for more! really!!

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    the ashtray is quite tricky to close if you dont know how they work.
    dont push on it hard but gently push it back and it will close.
    to open,push on it again and it will open.
    easy peasy- one word on the 205-
    JUST BUY THE DAMN THING ha ha ha ha
    [spoken like a true 205 owner].
    you know i dont think ill ever sell my 205 gti come hell or high water ,armageddon,girlfreinds,other cars or whatever.
    i love it [not carnally]-BAZZ

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