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    I would think that the shuddering sounds like the engine mount. Mine was loose and it shuddered when I started the engine and shuddered when I turned it off. In my case it just needed tightening. I'd imagine that this could happen as well when you gave it a good rev or backed off at high speed. You most definitely have to be aware of the fact that the engine mount arm itself can crack the chassis where it attaches. All the excess movement (with a loose engine mount) fatigues the metal and it eventually snaps. This needs to be checked! Or an expensive welding repair has to be attempted. It is a not uncommon problem with the GTi6s.
    You really have to have a Peugeot specialist that KNOWS these cars. And I don't mean the bloody dealers who have an apprentice working on them! And who also charge double the hourly rates!
    $25000 for a GTi6!!
    Yes mine is the best car I've ever owned (13 at last count) but they are simply not worth that. The other guys are spot on about other stuff you can get at that price for near new. The pleasure of owning one of these rare machines is incredible though. But for that you'd be better off getting a newer Clio or 206 or the like. I hate to say it but maybe a Gen 4 Golf GTI. So not French.
    I did drive a few Golfs and they have the most amazing build quality and cars 5 years old are still like new. BUT 1) they have only 110kw from a Turbo 1.8! Shameful when GTI6s have 124kw from 2.0. They are obviously so detuned it's not funny. So I would have had to get a Powerchip for it, which then brings the Golf up to 148kw! More like the new Gen 5. I also drove one of these by the way and oh my God, if I had $50000 it would be my next car. Unlike the Gen 4 (that has no semblance of sporty character) it is a magnificent machine.
    I honestly can't believe that the people selling the $25000 GTi6 said, "oh but it does have custom sheep skin covers!" Give me a break. Yes it would have cost them a fortune but it has nothing to do with the next guy coming along to buy it. I can almost be certain that the suede (that all the MY00s have) underneath will be chok full of crap from the leather backing of the sheep skin cover. Try getting that out of the suede. You need to have a look underneath.
    Nice low kms but you have no real way of knowing what it is really like until you get it checked by a specalist or see what goes wrong after you buy it!

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    Irrositer,
    On the $25k, pug novice though I am, you are dead right - it is a surreal price to be asking. Despite the issues I'm having with my car, I'm glad I got a good example - albeit with 115k on the clock, for substantially less.
    On the engine mount, mechanic Stuart did warn me as to the possiblity of a cracked chassis rail, but at this stage, it seems fine (fingers crossed!!).

    U-Turn - Stuart did mention that the wishbone bushes have been prone to wear, perhaps due both to the high loads put on them by the car, as well as the quality of the part. Apparently, it's not unusual for them to be replaced, only to wear through again in 12-18 months. He's currently trying to track down a better quality part, but I get the impression that this has been the state of play for some time
    The noelathane bush idea is interesting. As I've been quickly developing into a GTi-6 nerd in the past few weeks, on the net I came across an article circa 1996 from a car mag (I'll come back with a reference) which interviewed the chassis engineer for both the 106 and 306 GTis. He made comment that both cars achieve their corner balance and adjustibility (ie putting on more power through a corner to achieve some rear-steer to tighten the line) through use of flexible suspension bushes. I've also come across other reviews (see the downloads section of www.306gti6.com) that make reference to the rear steer effect of the 306 GTi6 due to the "passive rear end" designed into them by peugeot.
    I'd always assumed it was a given that if you wanted to improve the integrity of your suspension geometry, you'd go noelathane for all your bushes, but these comments in these mags have me wondering if the 306GTi6 is better left alone in this regard. Having said that, if you want to nail hard track times, maybe it's good to stiffen up the front end.

    Anyway, sorry for the diatribe! U-Turn I'm looking forward to getting my car sorted, catching up and swapping notes (and maybe having a blat through the hills!!)
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    Blackpug, owning a gti6 is a bit like joining a cult..and no one else gets it

    Yeah both Mark and Stuart said they've been having these problems for a little while, but it hasn't always been that way. There is a lot of load put on the rear bush on the front control arm (there is a forward and rear bush on the control arm), but I think the bushes that are supplied as an independant part seem to be inferior to the bushes that come already inserted when you buy the wishbone as a whole. Previously the bushes bought by themselves were exactly the same as the ones that came pre-inserted into a new wishbone. 12-18 months is a ridiculously short time for these bushes. That's only about 20-25K kms lifespan. My car has done almost 85K kms, much of it fanging through the hills and the bushes will need to be done maybe in another 10K kms.

    I've read that article you mention. You're right, the 306 does have a large amount of passive rear steer built in. However, this is provided by the flexible rubber connection which attaches the rear subframe to the chassis. So when the car goes around a corner fast enough, the flexible rubber connection deflects slightly causing the entire rear subframe to move in such a way so that the rear wheels point away from the corner thereby causing the front to turn in harder into the corner. These rear subframe rubber connections/mounts are completely different to the front wishbone bushes. So getting the front bushes made in nolathane shouldn't negate any of the passive rear steer of the car. It may make the ride slightly harsher though, and maybe even give better front suspension and steering control etc as the nolathane bushes are more precise. Though, if I go nolathane front bushes, it would be purely to have more reliable bushes that would last longer than 18 months!!!

    Yeah would be great to meet up and go for a drive. I think a couple of the boys are planning another sunday drive soon'ish. If your car is sorted by then, join us for that one. Otherwise, there'll always be other sunday
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    I don't know if I should be gritting my teeth about the quality of the front bushes, or maybe slightly nervous that my rear suspension is attched to my car by rubber...

    I hace poured through the massive tyre thread over the past few days, as I was also warned that my Yokos are going to need replacement soonish. I was trying to see what other GTi6 oweners were using, and it seems that people are keen on the GSD3s - U-Turn, is this what you ended up going for?

    Not that I've experinced anything else on my car, but I was pretty happy with my AVS ES100s - they seemed very progressive on the limit. I rang Beaurepairs on Pult St, who quoted me $230 per corner for the direzzas (I hadn't made it to the 12+ page of the thread by then!!), but the GSD3s are under $200... i think i should be able to shop around for a better price than that though. Anyway, it academic at the moment, I shoul;d squeeze another few thousand k's out of them yet.

    Btw, I hope it's not considered poor form to discuss a topic strictly on another thread!
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    I've got Dunlop FM901's on my car at the moment. The Direzzas are meant to be the FM901 replacement. The FM901's are much better than the original Pirelli P6000's that the car came with. The only negatives are that the tyres "go off" due to the repeated heat cycles after a few thou' kms of hard driving.

    Let me know how the GSD3's are, when you get them? I'm thinking of trying those next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpug
    I don't know if I should be gritting my teeth about the quality of the front bushes, or maybe slightly nervous that my rear suspension is attched to my car by rubber...

    I hace poured through the massive tyre thread over the past few days, as I was also warned that my Yokos are going to need replacement soonish. I was trying to see what other GTi6 oweners were using, and it seems that people are keen on the GSD3s - U-Turn, is this what you ended up going for?

    Not that I've experinced anything else on my car, but I was pretty happy with my AVS ES100s - they seemed very progressive on the limit. I rang Beaurepairs on Pult St, who quoted me $230 per corner for the direzzas (I hadn't made it to the 12+ page of the thread by then!!), but the GSD3s are under $200... i think i should be able to shop around for a better price than that though. Anyway, it academic at the moment, I shoul;d squeeze another few thousand k's out of them yet.

    Btw, I hope it's not considered poor form to discuss a topic strictly on another thread!
    If you can find GTRadials Champiro's as touted by Allan Moffat they are $130 and I wear em out a quick as I can because they are the goods and cheap as chips. Great rubber and great grip but 50 prolile on a 15" rim puts your speedo optomistic by 7% Ie 100km if 107 indicated... not a bad thing.

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    [. I've also come across other reviews (see the downloads section of www.306gti6.com) that make reference to the rear steer effect of the 306 GTi6 due to the "passive rear end" designed into them by peugeot.
    Thanks for the website... all GTI6 readers should read the Civic Type R Vs GTI6 test on the CC review.... hoot!
    Couldn't find specific technical info on the passive rear stear.... anybody got a good link with diagrams etc.....

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    Yeah I'd love to see a detailed diagram as well. The best I've got is this pic, but it's none too clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by U Turn
    Yeah I'd love to see a detailed diagram as well. The best I've got is this pic, but it's none too clear.
    Shall we try a new thread with the question posed then?

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    Good idea. There's a fair bit of tech knowledge on this forum, maybe someone out there has some info.
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    i know all the pug sport group a bushes fit the standard s16 and gti-6... i asked... they are also much much cheaper than the OEM spec ones...

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    Cant believe you guys are paying 25k for a 1999 56k gti! Paid 13500 for my 1998 with 60k's on the clock. Has OZ wheels, slotted brakes, bilstein suspension, new brake hoses, sway bar front and back, 10 cd stacker and mint interior.

    But you guys pay 25?!! Wow that is expensive.

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    It's because the import tariffs on jap imports are alot lot lot higher than in nz, as we don't have a local car manufacture to protect.

    Also i think nz has no tariffs on jap imports, to improve road safety... i could be wrong

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    Just on the subject of reviews from 306gti6.com, has anyone been able to download the Evo review? I don't think it's linked properly... am very keen to read it, they list the GTi6 in their back section as one of the greatest hot hatches (but we already knew that, didn't we?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpug
    Just on the subject of reviews from 306gti6.com, has anyone been able to download the Evo review? I don't think it's linked properly... am very keen to read it, they list the GTi6 in their back section as one of the greatest hot hatches (but we already knew that, didn't we?)
    Yeah I want to see that review as well. Any of you guys members? If so, maybe let them know about the broken link and they could fix.
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    Default $25,000 - no way

    Quote Originally Posted by Chef
    Hi all, another 306gti6 question... My 306gti6 search will possibly ends here has anyone seen this 306 from following link? also shown in carsales.com.au

    http://www.drive.com.au/used/search/...#DealerDetails

    ... bit pricey for the age? Any comments? Thanks.
    Definitely too much for the car. I bought a white 1999 306GTI6 12 months ago with 54,000km for $19,200. I have seen them for as low as $17,500 to $18,000, one with less than 70,000 km but it disappeared real soon. Keep hunting though, I love mine to death, they're a sleeper and a lot more unique than most. And handling, do I need to say anything, ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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