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    I've decided that $80+ a week in petrol for the 505 GTi is too much and it's time to scale down the fun a little. Now I'd love to say I can go out and buy a 206 GTi 180 or RSC 182, but unfortunately funds will not allow.

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    What I'm looking at is a late model 306 manual, preferably with a 2.0l motor. What I would like to know is, which is the best one?

    Apologies if this has been addressed earliear, but searching for "306" in the forums is like googling "porn".

    I'd like to think I can find a low kms GTi6 that is nearby and within my price range (with a sunroof ) but I understand that a compromise may be necessary.

    Is the XSi the only other 2.0l 306? and were the 2000+ models the best, or is it worth looking at something earlier?

    Body shape is not a huge issue, but apart from the novelty factor what else counts for the cabriolet? Do they go as well as the hatches?

    Input of any kind is greatly appreciated guys,

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatpeople04
    What I'm looking at is a late model 306 manual, preferably with a 2.0l motor. What I would like to know is, which is the best one?
    My personal choice? An MY2000 GTi6 or XSi if you need the practicality of a 5-door.

    Quote Originally Posted by eatpeople04
    Apologies if this has been addressed earliear, but searching for "306" in the forums is like googling "porn".
    Heh, it's getting a bit like that. Theres a fair bit of info in the 306 FAQ thread, if you haven't seen it yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by eatpeople04
    Is the XSi the only other 2.0l 306? and were the 2000+ models the best, or is it worth looking at something earlier?
    I'd say the MY2000+ models were the best yeah. As usual the end of the line models are the best made and have most of the problems had been sorted. In the MY2000 range the same 2.0 motor was used in the XT and also the Rallye (which was pretty much an XT anyway). The XT was available in a sedan early on as well, but these are rare.

    Quote Originally Posted by eatpeople04
    Body shape is not a huge issue, but apart from the novelty factor what else counts for the cabriolet? Do they go as well as the hatches?
    They are a bit heavier and the body is flexy, but I don't think that would stop me. I had thought about one a few times.

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    The engines are different in the xsi and gti6. I'd personally go for the gti-6, if you can afford it. It took me 3 months to find my S16 and i'm glad i didn't just settle for a xsi or some crappy s-16. Found a nz new in fairly good condition.

    the cab's will have more body flex but will have a stiffer base chassis to compensate for not haveing a roof. Me and Briz205 have talked about turning a 205 cti into a race car... remove all the roof mech, and then add a cage... you'll have a lighter and stiffer car than the gti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRTDVL
    Me and Briz205 have talked about turning a 205 cti into a race car... remove all the roof mech, and then add a cage... you'll have a lighter and stiffer car than the gti.
    Didn't the CTi come with quite different front suspension to the GTi though?

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    not to sure... but i know you can get race suspension for them... or uprated road stuff anyways....

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    I had a 505 sti for years and felt that I got better fuel economy from it than my S16 which is a guzzler by comparision
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    when i fixed my vac pod in the s16 it went from costing me 100+ a week to about 55- 60 a week to get to and from work

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    The ad on PCCV for a 2000 S16 for ~$6K, maybe you should check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J206GTI
    The ad on PCCV for a 2000 S16 for ~$6K, maybe you should check it out.
    Thanks for the input guys, much more food for thought

    I thought the GTi6 replaced the S16, so I assumed you couldn't get them that late? I'll check out the add for sure, but unfortunately don't have all the funds yet anyway. Have to wait a couple of months, I'm just checking the water nice and early.
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    I would have thought that you would pay for more petrol with a GTi6. Using Optimax isn't exactly cheap.
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    Change your driving style.
    The 86 SII, 505 Gti will easily do 9.5 lt/100km. (normal hack and slash foot down drivin 10.5-11 lt/100km).
    I do over 1000km/week this = $135
    What is the economy of a 206 GTi 180 or RSC 182, (be honest). I would say is in the order of 8lt/100km at best. This is a lot of expence to recover, (I do like the 206 GTi 180 or RSC 182 though). Go a diesel, a 505 oiler will do up to 60mpg, or a newer smaller oily.
    Being bigger boned I need the larger access offered by the 505.
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    How many litres per 100km does your 505GTi do?
    I wouldn't call the 306 2L engine particularly economical... mine sits at around 10L/100km in the city with aircon on, and a bit less with aircon off.

    I wouldn't be spending thousands to save 1 or 2L/100km over your 505 unless you just want a 306.

    Good luck with the searching anyway
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    i still talk in the old language

    as a comparison the 604 will get around 25ish MPG on the open road and the GTi-6 gets around 38MPG

    big difference

    around town though the GTi-6 will chew fuel as does the 604

    the 306 will get around 20mpg or less in town and the 604 gets around 15mpg, both cars hate running around town
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone Free
    I would have thought that you would pay for more petrol with a GTi6. Using Optimax isn't exactly cheap.
    Yeah, there is a certain amount of compromise. I have been using Optimax in the 505 until recently when it broke $1.30/L because I have the pre-unleaded model, so that doesn't worry me too much. The main issue is a newer (and assumedly more economical) motor in a lighter and smaller body.

    Plus if it is a bit quicker when required I won't complain!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamma
    Change your driving style.
    The 86 SII, 505 Gti will easily do 9.5 lt/100km. (normal hack and slash foot down drivin 10.5-11 lt/100km).
    I do over 1000km/week this = $135
    What is the economy of a 206 GTi 180 or RSC 182, (be honest). I would say is in the order of 8lt/100km at best. This is a lot of expence to recover, (I do like the 206 GTi 180 or RSC 182 though). Go a diesel, a 505 oiler will do up to 60mpg, or a newer smaller oily.
    Being bigger boned I need the larger access offered by the 505.
    Cheers Gamma, I appreciate the sentiment, and I have changed my driving style. But it's simply a matter of weights. A smaller, lighter car with the same capacity will use less fuel when driven the same way, so that's why I'm leaning that way.

    Point taken though
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    whats it like to import a car from jap?

    we had a look at some 2000 gti-6's on a website last night for under 2grnd nz....

    i really wish i imported now...

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    changing a car because of fuel consumption is a false economy. The cheapest car is the one you currently own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRTDVL
    whats it like to import a car from jap?

    we had a look at some 2000 gti-6's on a website last night for under 2grnd nz....

    i really wish i imported now...
    Under 2k NZ? You sure about that buddy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT
    changing a car because of fuel consumption is a false economy. The cheapest car is the one you currently own.
    Should probably just clarify something.

    This is not entirely a financial decision. Having got rid of those horrible little square red things from my windows, I feel it's time for an upgrade, into something a little quicker if possible. The main reason for getting a newer car is because I want a newer car.

    The fuel prices are the reason I'm going for a newer car that is smaller

    And having done the somes on my 505, it seems I've been getting 13-14L/100km, so I believe Cliff is due for a tune up

    Thanks for the info everybody, it seems that there is a consensus that the XSi's were a close second if a GTi6 isn't available?
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