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    Hey,

    Yet another question from me

    Anyways, Ive been reading Macqured's thread on the 306 - Really top stuff, thanks heaps for spending so much time on it!

    So, this has got me thinking!

    What are the main differences between the N5 306 XSI and the XT - we are talking about both 2.0 100kw engined cars here?

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    What difference was there in equipment?

    Any difference with the suspension setup?

    Main Spec Differences?

    Anyways, thanks heaps!

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    hey mate different suspension set up... the n5 xsi has the same/silimiar set-up to a gti6... hence being more taught.

    the xt ralley misses out on the rear hatch spoiler, also.


    xt rallye was the same in every other respect.

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    Thanks for the quick reply Pugjet!

    What features did the N5 XSI get over the XT?

    Is it true that the N5 has a stronger body than the N3 as it has more weld points?

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    hi stalled, i think the only differences bw the n5 xsi and rallye were suspension set-up and seats... the former getting premium sports seats. someone please correct me if this is wrong. aribags, switchgear, panels... exactly the same. dont know if the rallye's had rear electric windows, though.

    i think the n5 xsi's also had cyclone rims.

    the n5 update was more rigid than the n3 as it had more spot welds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugjet
    hi stalled, i think the only differences bw the n5 xsi and rallye were suspension set-up and seats... the former getting premium sports seats. someone please correct me if this is wrong. aribags, switchgear, panels... exactly the same. dont know if the rallye's had rear electric windows, though.

    i think the n5 xsi's also had cyclone rims.

    the n5 update was more rigid than the n3 as it had more spot welds.
    Hmmm, I have seen the N5 XSi without the cyclone rims? Im talking about the earlier N5 before the update in 1999ish?

    When you speak of the N5 update, do you mean the step from N3 to N5 being the update or the minor facelift in which the N5 underwent in 1999?

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    Hi guys, my 2001 2l Rallye auto, since sold cause I wanted a manual again, had dual airbags and all electric windows, abs etc, very nice and comfortable

    Nothing wrong with its slush box though, best one I've ever driven!

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    2001 PEUGEOT 306 2.0 RALLYE

    Vehicle 2001 PEUGEOT 306 2.0 RALLYE
    RRP $28,990

    Release Year 2001
    Transmission AUTOMATIC
    Engine 1998
    Equipment
    SAFETY
    Anti-lock brakes (ABS)
    Transmission shift lock
    Side door anti-intrusion beams
    Driver's airbag
    Front passenger's airbag
    Front side (thorax) airbags - $1000 option
    Front passenger seat belt pretensioners
    Height adjustable front seat belts
    High-mount rear stop lamp

    SECURITY
    Immobiliser

    KEY FEATURES
    Power steering
    Central locking
    Electric windows
    Electric mirrors
    Sunroof - $1400 option
    Spare wheel - alloy
    Adjustable steering
    Alloy wheels
    Climate control air conditioning
    Side window demisters
    Air recirculation control
    Remote fuel filler release
    Remote boot/tailgate release
    Driver's footrest
    Boot/luggage area carpet
    Vanity mirror
    Interior dome light
    Luggage/cargo compartment light/s
    Map lights
    Driver's seat - lumbar adjustment
    Second row/rear headrests
    Split fold second row/rear seat
    Front head restraints, height adjustable
    Centre console with storage box
    Glovebox, lockable
    Storage pocket/tray
    Front ashtray
    Map pockets behind seat(s)
    Rear ashtray(s)
    Cigarette lighter, front
    Door pockets, front
    Tripmeter
    Brake system failure warning
    Warning lamp - oil pressure
    Temperature gauge
    Dash illumination control
    Rear window demister
    Rear wash/wipe
    Tachometer
    Warning lamp - low fuel
    Warning lamp - seat belt on
    Intermittent wipers
    Audible warning - lights on
    Digital clock
    Metallic paint - $580 option
    Laminated windscreen
    Front fog lights
    Headlights, dual reflectors
    Rear fog lamp/s
    Body coloured bumpers
    Under bonnet insulator panel
    Side protection mould
    Door handles, body coloured
    Exterior mirrors, body coloured
    Gas strut assist for boot/rear door
    Exterior spare wheel
    Security coded audio system
    Number of speakers 4
    Electronic tune audio
    Roof mounted aerial
    CD player

    Specifications:
    ENGINE
    Engine code XU10J4R
    Engine description Four cylinders, in-line, belt-driven DOHC, four valves per cylinder, cast iron block, alloy head.
    Cylinders 4
    Engine orientation Transverse
    Engine location Front
    Valve train DOHC
    Block material Cast-iron
    Torque (Nm) 187
    Maximum torque 187Nm @ 4200rpm
    Power (kW) 100
    Maximum power 100kW @ 5500rpm
    Compression ratio 10.4:1
    Stroke (mm) 86.0
    Bore (mm) 86.0
    Capacity (cm3) 1998
    Head material Aluminium alloy
    Valves per cylinder 4

    ENGINE NO
    Engine No location Front of block, passenger's side, near sump at rear.
    Engine No sample PSA-RFV10HJ579001805

    ACCELERATE
    Maximum speed (km/h) 175kmh

    INDUCTION
    Fuel system type PFI

    FUEL
    Fuel type 91/95 RON ULP
    City 10.7
    Highway 6.3
    Fuel tank capacity (litres) 60

    TRANS
    Transmission description Four speed automatic with lock-up torque convertor.

    TRANS RATIO
    Ratio 1 2.511:1
    Ratio 2 1.425:1
    Ratio 3 1.041:1
    Ratio 4 0.769:1
    Reverse 2.942:1

    FINAL DRIVE
    Final drive ratio 3.821
    Final drive location Front

    SUSPENSION
    Suspension/front description Independent, MacPherson struts, coil springs, lower A-arms, hydraulic dampers and 18mm diameter anti-roll bar.
    Four wheel discs STD
    Suspension/rear description Independent, trailing arms, transverse torsion bars, angled hydraulic dampers, 19mm anti-roll bar and passive steering.

    STEERING
    Steering description Rack and pinion, variable rate power assistance.
    Turning circle - between kerbs (metres) 11.3m

    BRAKES
    Front brake description Ventilated discs
    Rear brake description Discs

    WHEELS
    Rim material Alloy
    Spare tyre 195/55 R15 81V
    Front rim description 6.0Jx15
    Spare rim Full size alloy
    Front tyre description 195/55 R15 81V

    DIMENSIONS
    Length (mm) 4030
    Width (mm) 1680
    Track - front (mm) 1454
    Track - rear (mm) 1423
    Wheelbase (mm) 2580
    Height (mm) 1368
    Kerb mass (kg) 1167
    Tare mass (kg) 1167kg
    Luggage capacity - seat up (litres) 338
    Head room - second row/rear (mm) 890
    Head room - front (mm) 960
    Hip room - second row/rear (mm) 1405mm
    Hip room - front (mm) 1369mm
    Shoulder room - second row/rear (mm) 1344mm
    Shoulder room - front (mm) 1386mm
    Seating capacity 5
    GVM (kg) 1590

    TOW CAPACITY
    Towing capacity - with brakes (kg) 1000kg
    Towing capacity - without brakes (kg) 600kg

    ORIGIN
    Country of origin France

    SERVICE
    Minor service interval (oil change - km) 10,000km or 12 months

    VEHICLE ID
    VIN sample VF37ARFVE32000001
    VIN location Driver's side, top of inner skirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    What are the main differences between the N5 306 XSI and the XT - we are talking about both 2.0 100kw engined cars here?
    Main differences are suspension (visibly lower on the XSi), rear spoiler, seats, ABS brakes on the XSi (although later XT's and Rallyes had ABS standard too) and minor things like one-touch window switches on the XT, but not the XSi.

    As for wheels.... at the time of the introduction of the updated N5 in late '99 the XT had 14" rims and the XSi had the 15" S16 wheels. When the Rallye was introduced it got the 15" S16 wheels and the XSi got the cyclones.

    The XSi had the better Pirelli P6000's whereas the XT had Michelin Energy on the 14's and Continental Eco somethings on the 15's.

    The last of the XSi's were manual only.

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    hi stalled just in case you missed the 306 timeline thread, heres the article i posted in all its glory:

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%"><TBODY><TR vAlign=center><TD class=cshead></TD><TD class=cshead><TABLE width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=cshead></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR class=csrowon><TD class=cstext width="100%" colSpan=2>Introduction

    Following the N3 1994 introduction to our market, a second generation N5 Peugeot 306 models have been released. All but the convertible body are built in the Ryton plant in Coventry, England. The Cabrio begins its life with the Pininfarina company who assemble and paint the body, fit the hood and ship the package to Peugeot's Poissy plant, near Paris. It is here that the final drive train and trim components are added. With this upgrade, two models have been renamed and one introduced to the range. The Style name is now used for the entry model, previously called the XR three door hatch. The new XR sedan was previously the SR and the GTI 6 is introduced as the sports version in the range. As part of this model revamp, interior and exterior changes have taken place and specifications added to all models. A driver's airbag is standard on all models, the GTI 6 also has a passenger's bag. Impact absorbing bumpers have been introduced which has increased the overall length by 40mm for the hatch and by 30mm for the sedan. Structural integrity has been improved with an increase in bending and torsional rigidity. All major panels have been increased in thickness from 0.7 to 0.8mm. The major portion of the 306 body is galvanised as an anti corrosion measure. All Peugeot models are covered against perforation corrosion for six years. The greatest visual impact is that of the revised 306s front panels. The bumpers are larger and made to be impact absorbing. The lower airdam opening is both deeper and wider. The grille opening is a single slot opening with a large and revised corporate badge displayed in the middle. The headlight assemblies are also revised with a single reflector dish flanked by the turn and park light globes. All lamps are enclosed in a single unit protected by an polished polycarbonate lens. The bonnet has a revised shape to fit with the above changes. The XSi, GTI 6 and Cabriolet are all fitted with a lower airdam extension. The Style is the only vehicle without body coloured bumpers. New full wheel trims are introduced. These have five oval slots with a raised flange around each opening. The GTI 6 and Cabriolet are fitted with Cyclone five spoke alloy wheels. The rear panels have also been revamped. The bumpers are again bigger, the new corporate logo is displayed and the tail lights now have a frameless construction. New metallic exterior paint colours introduced include a deep Nile Blue, a lighter Provence Blue, a mid Venetian Green, a brighter Tropical Green and a gold inspired Blaze Yellow. INTERIOR: New trim materials and revamped ergonomics are a feature of the new 306. The instrument cluster features a digital odometer with service interval indicator. This displays the distance remaining before the next schedule service each time the vehicle is started. The display is seen for a five second period. Centre console and fittings are revised as is the fog lamp switchgear. All models now have a remote headlight adjustment switch. the door trims and electric function switches are all restyled. New trims are specified for each model: Style has a Bettina cloth, XR has a corded Napoli cloth, the XT has a Racine Velour, the XSi has a dual tone Arcato Velour, the GTI 6 has a Mustang cloth and leather combination and the Cabriolet has a Bantoo corded velour. The two litre engine, first used in the 406 ST, has had a number of enhancements including reducing the bearing tolerances and increasing the distance between conrod centres. Further modifications are made to the unit fitted to the GTI 6. It has lengthened con rods, unique piston rings, a modified cylinder head and a four into one stainless steel exhaust manifold. August 1999: The new model year 306 range has been launched, with a revised model mix to accommodate the imminent arrival of the 206. Other changes are largely cosmetic. For the purpose of rationalising the model range, the two door hatchback is no longer available in the Style or XT grades. The entry level Style grade remains available with four doors. The XR grade sedans are replaced by XT models for both petrol and Diesel variants. The XT grade sedans are marginally more expensive than the previous XR models. The Diesel-engined 306 was formerly known as the 306 XRDT, but is re-named 306 XT Diesel. Bumpers, door sills, exterior mirrors, front and rear bumper rubbing strips are now body coloured for all 306 models, with the exception of the Cabriolet. The front airdam is now fitted with fog lights in either end of the engine cooling duct. The Style grade is not fitted with the airdam and does not have the fog lights fitted. The rear bumper and airdam unit has been re-styled. All models except the Cabriolet are now fitted with side skirts in body colour. The headlights have been re-designed and now feature dual parabolic reflectors and clear lenses. The side indicator lenses are now clear. The tail light cluster is new and for the XT sedan, features horizontal chrome inserts. The Peugeot corporate badge at the rear now features raised graphics. China Blue, a colour available for the 406 range, is introduced in the 306 model range also, for the 306 Style only. Various interior fittings, including the gear knob, hand-brake release button, ventilation direction controls and automatic gear shift fascia, now feature a brushed metallic look. Interior trims are now velour and woven cloth. An ultrasonic remote central locking transponder replaces the infra-red unit used previously. Apart from being available with four doors, the Style grade differs from the previous model in now having climate control, height-adjustable three spoke steering wheel and heated exterior mirrors fitted as standard. Alloy wheels are now fitted as standard to the XT grade (previously optional). Dual airbags are also standard, formerly the driver's airbag only was standard. Safety has been upgraded with a passenger's airbag now adopted as standard for the XT, XSi, GTi 6 and Cabriolet. Side impact airbags are now fitted to the GTi 6 and Cabriolet. Anti-lock brakes (Bosch 5.3) are now optional for the Style and XT; while remaining standard for the other variants. SEPTEMBER 2000: Peugeot has released the revised 2001 Model Year 306 range. The entry level Style four door has been discontinued. The XT hatchback is now fitted with ABS and Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBFD) as standard. It also picks up 'Laser' design alloy wheels (previously fitted to the XSi). The XT sedan is now only available with an automatic transmission. It also gains ABS and EBFD as standard. The XT HDi turbo diesel sedan remains unchanged. The XSi hatchback is now only available with a manual transmission. It now features EBFD (ABS already standard), front side airbags, 'Cyclone' design alloy wheels (currently fitted to the Cabriolet) and new upholstery with leather bolsters on the cushion and backrest. The GTi has also been deleted from the 306 range. The Cabriolet models also now include EBFD, as well as full leather trim and rear seat head restraints. Prices have increased for all 2001MY 306 models, except the XT HDi, to reflect the extra equipment that has been added. April 2001: To mark its success in the 2000 World Rally Championship, Peugeot has announced the introduction of a special edition 306 model, the 2.0 Rallye. The Rallye, which replaces the 306 XT hatchback, is also a four-door hatchback and is powered by the same 2.0 litre 100kW engine fitted to the 306 XSi. Standard features fitted to the Rallye include dual SRS airbags, engine immobiliser, ABS, alloy wheels, automatic rain-sensing wipers, electric windows and mirrors, climate control air-conditioning, and Rallye decals. An automatic transmission is available as a $2000 option. The special edition 306 2.0 Rallye is on sale from April 19.
    </TD></TR><TR class=csrowoff><TD class=cstext width="100%" colSpan=2>Exterior

    The greatest visual impact is that of the revised 306s front panels. The bumpers are larger and made to be impact absorbing. The lower airdam opening is both deeper and wider. The grille opening is a single slot opening with a large and revised corporate badge displayed in the middle. The headlight assemblies are also revised with a single reflector dish flanked by the turn and park light globes. All lamps are enclosed in a single unit protected by an polished polycarbonate lens. The bonnet has a revised shape to fit with the above changes. The XSi, GTI 6 and Cabriolet are all fitted with a lower airdam extension. The Style is the only vehicle without body coloured bumpers. New full wheel trims are introduced. These have five oval slots with a raised flange around each opening. The GTI 6 and Cabriolet are fitted with Cyclone five spoke alloy wheels. The rear panels have also been revamped. The bumpers are again bigger, the new corporate logo is displayed and the tail lights now have a frameless construction. New metallic exterior paint colours introduced include a deep Nile Blue, a lighter Provence Blue, a mid Venetian Green, a brighter Tropical Green and a gold inspired Blaze Yellow. INTERIOR: New trim materials and revamped ergonomics are a feature of the new 306. The instrument cluster features a digital odometer with service interval indicator. This displays the distance remaining before the next schedule service each time the vehicle is started. The display is seen for a five second period. Centre console and fittings are revised as is the fog lamp switchgear. All models now have a remote headlight adjustment switch. the door trims and electric function switches are all restyled. New trims are specified for each model: Style has a Bettina cloth, XR has a corded Napoli cloth, the XT has a Racine Velour, the XSi has a dual tone Arcato Velour, the GTI 6 has a Mustang cloth and leather combination and the Cabriolet has a Bantoo corded velour. August 1999: Bumpers, door sills, exterior mirrors, front and rear bumper rubbing strips are now body coloured for all 306 models, with the exception of the Cabriolet. The front airdam is now fitted with fog lights in either end of the engine cooling duct. The Style grade is not fitted with the airdam and does not have the fog lights fitted. The rear bumper and airdam unit has been re-styled. All models except the Cabriolet are now fitted with side skirts in body colour. The headlights have been re-designed and now feature dual parabolic reflectors and clear lenses. The side indicator lenses are now clear. The tail light cluster is new and for the XT sedan, features horizontal chrome inserts. The Peugeot corporate badge at the rear now features raised graphics. China Blue, a colour available for the 406 range, is introduced in the 306 model range also, for the 306 Style only.
    </TD></TR><TR class=csrowon><TD class=cstext width="100%" colSpan=2>Interior

    New trim materials and revamped ergonomics are a feature of the new 306. The instrument cluster features a digital odometer with service interval indicator. This displays the distance remaining before the next schedule service each time the vehicle is started. The display is seen for a five second period. Centre console and fittings are revised as is the fog lamp switchgear. All models now have a remote headlight adjustment switch. the door trims and electric function switches are all restyled. New trims are specified for each model: Style has a Bettina cloth, XR has a corded Napoli cloth, the XT has a Racine Velour, the XSi has a dual tone Arcato Velour, the GTI 6 has a Mustang cloth and leather combination and the Cabriolet has a Bantoo corded velour. August 1999: Various interior fittings, including the gear knob, hand-brake release button, ventilation direction controls and automatic gear shift fascia, now feature a brushed metallic look. Interior trims are now velour and woven cloth. An ultrasonic remote central locking transponder replaces the infra-red unit used previously. Apart from being available with four doors, the Style grade differs from the previous model in now having climate control, height-adjustable three spoke steering wheel and heated exterior mirrors fitted as standard. Alloy wheels are now fitted as standard to the XT grade (previously optional). Dual airbags are also standard, formerly the driver's airbag only was standard. Safety has been upgraded with a passenger's airbag now adopted as standard for the XT, XSi, GTi 6 and Cabriolet. Side impact airbags are now fitted to the GTi 6 and Cabriolet.
    </TD></TR><TR class=csrowoff><TD class=cstext width="100%" colSpan=2>Mechanical

    The two litre engine, first used in the 406 ST, has had a number of enhancements including reducing the bearing tolerances and increasing the distance between conrod centres. Further modifications are made to the unit fitted to the GTI 6. It has lengthened con rods, unique piston rings, a modified cylinder head and a four into one stainless steel exhaust manifold. August 1999: Anti-lock brakes (Bosch 5.3) are now optional for the Style and XT; while remaining standard for the other variants.
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    306 rallye:

    http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsa...model_name=306

    306xsi (n5):

    http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsa...model_name=306





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    Wow, thanks again!

    They seem like a prety practical car with a largish boot and the seats can fold down 60:40making for one large loading space

    Other than that, they seem pretty feature packed and have the safety features I would like in a car eg ABS and the Airbags.

    Mechanically is there much to look out for? (2.0 100kw?)

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    Hey,

    How does the 1.8 16v motor in the XT perform?

    Thanks

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    It's quite nice actually. I had a 1.8 XT for a 3-4 days while my 2.0 XT was in for warranty work. The difference in torque is noticable, but the 1.8 felt it like to rev more easily.

    That engine in the lighter, stiffer Style 3-door would be pretty nice I reckon.

    Theres a few errors in that text that Pugjet quoted too. I wouldn't take it as gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    It's quite nice actually. I had a 1.8 XT for a 3-4 days while my 2.0 XT was in for warranty work. The difference in torque is noticable, but the 1.8 felt it like to rev more easily.

    That engine in the lighter, stiffer Style 3-door would be pretty nice I reckon.

    Theres a few errors in that text that Pugjet quoted too. I wouldn't take it as gospel.
    Hmm seems a worthy proposition!

    Did the Style miss out on many features and can they be bought with ABS brakes?

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    I'll put a vote in for the N5 style. The engine is certainly lacking torque, but it is happy to rev fairly hard all day long. I've had mine for 4 years now with no major probs. Only big jobs have been Timing belt, engine mount and new bushings throughout the suspension.

    I do drive the car hard sometimes and it seems to thrive on getting a bit hot. So far the only mods that have been done are:
    EBC brake pads, and I run the higher spec brake fluid
    Koni (special D) adjustable shocks.
    Eibach lowering springs.

    All in all, Its a really fun car to drive. And given that your new to the roads, I'd say it's a fairly sensible option. It will certainly teach you how to stay smooth and keep momentum up, rather than powering out of corners.

    I'm not sure if you can get them with ABS, but the brakes are very effective. (I wish i had ABS.....one very small lock up in the rain, ended up under a ute tray...only just)

    It should come with an Airbag though. Considering the street price for them at the moment, Id say they are a bargain.

    BTW, not sure if its relevant, but you can fit a 6 piece drum kit and hardware, or a mountain bike (without putting rear seat down) or even a 6 ft surfboard in the car easily. Not all at once though.


    You may be able to tell that I like my car.

    Have fun shopping!

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    I had a 306 style for 4years and i love it,i even put it on a race track i did some mods to it exhurst from the cat back and a k&n element and i got more power from doing that, i sold the car only because i fall in love with the 180
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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Hmm seems a worthy proposition!

    Did the Style miss out on many features and can they be bought with ABS brakes?
    Yeah they missed out on some of the upspec XT stuff like rain sensing wipers etc. They also had less (or no) sound deadening material under the bonnet. It was a cut price, entry-level 306.

    ABS was an option yeah, so you might find some with ABS.

    Whats the budget?

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    yep, zero sound deadening. its actually not that noisy. Just means you hear more mechanical sound rather than just exhaust noises. An xsi would be nice, but the 3 door style looks better (with somd decent rims) IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    Yeah they missed out on some of the upspec XT stuff like rain sensing wipers etc. They also had less (or no) sound deadening material under the bonnet. It was a cut price, entry-level 306.

    ABS was an option yeah, so you might find some with ABS.

    Whats the budget?
    Budget wise im not sure yet, I dont really want a car which is going to cost me the earth to buy and then run!

    Id Imagine the 1.8 16v to be cheaper on parts?

    As for sound deadening, to be honest I could not give a toss if the car has it or not, I like to hear my engine! Reminds me of when my parents upgreded from the VP Commodore to the VT, dad was pretty dissapointed that he could barely hear the engine due to all the sound proofing which they had put on the car

    mmm.CORNERS, Id imagine the car to look pretty good with a nice set of wheels on it - still to this say IMO the 306 still looks a fairly fresh and modern design!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Budget wise im not sure yet, I dont really want a car which is going to cost me the earth to buy and then run!
    I just had a look at some 306's on carsales.com.au this morning and I was surprised how they are keeing their value. I sold my '00 XT with 65k kms in 2003 for $17500, and it looks like they haven't dropped much since then! It looks like Style's are around 11-12K too. I reckon I could justify the extra money to get an N5 XSi or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Id Imagine the 1.8 16v to be cheaper on parts?
    Couldn't say for sure, but the 2.0 16v is probably the most common 306 engine.

    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    As for sound deadening, to be honest I could not give a toss if the car has it or not, I like to hear my engine! Reminds me of when my parents upgreded from the VP Commodore to the VT, dad was pretty dissapointed that he could barely hear the engine due to all the sound proofing which they had put on the car
    Yep agreed, but sometimes it's cool to have a dead quiet car.....especially if you want to stick a nice stereo in it like I did

    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    mmm.CORNERS, Id imagine the car to look pretty good with a nice set of wheels on it - still to this say IMO the 306 still looks a fairly fresh and modern design!
    Absolutely. I saw a nice clean white late model XSi in traffic today. It struck me how timeless the design was. It still looks fantastic.

    I think you're on to a winner with the 306. It would be a great first car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    The XSi had the better Pirelli P6000's whereas the XT had Michelin Energy on the 14's and Continental Eco somethings on the 15's.
    Can't speak for the later, tourist models, but my pioneer-model XSi 8v for-the-discerning-early-adopter had Michelin Pilot XGTV 185/55R15's as noted on this bit of sales puffery that I just came across while cleaning out some crud the other day ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr bern
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    Are the parts expensive?

    How much would you expect to pay for a service?

    Most importanly how much is a cambelt change and how often do they need doing on the 306?

    Sorry for so many questions, its going to be my first car and I have never experienced car ownership before - I just want to make sure that its smooth sailing as much as possible and that im not delving into a deep black hole of uncertainty

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    Default Some servicce costs.

    So far, in four years of ownership:

    @ 45,000 k's Changed brakes. EBC pads with new rotors all round.
    This was $630 including labour and fluids (dot4 brake fluid)
    If i had of used standard pug parts it would have been less.

    Timing belt @ 75000 k's This was $945. This included a new, modified engine mount done by paul V in gladesville..top mech! Also included 4 ltr's synthetic oil, water pump and oil filter.
    The timing belt MUST be done every 80,00 k's or every 4 years. MANDATORY!!

    Apart from that I have installed modified suspension, so that dosent count as running costs IMO.

    Every 6 months it gets new filters and synthetic oil, about 80 bucks if you DIY or about $180 if you pay someone. Also had new air filter once...a massive $35! And one new battery = $92


    Overall, not that much. And if you dont modify it, it will be comprable to any other small hatch on the market. (servicing wise...not driving!!!))

    Goood luck, I hope this dosent scare you off as they are great cars.

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    I was going to say that it wasn't all that expensive apart from the cambelt, which you CAN'T avoid, but then I remembered that in the four years I had mine, I found out -- the hard way -- that ABS can cause you to need to replace rotors at the same time that you replace your disk pads. Not cheap, but like the cambelt, ignored at your peril. The brakes were very good, but you'll save money if you can ignore the temptation to lean too heavily on them -- easier to do with a manual gearbox.
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    Default running costs

    Oooh, I forgot to add......
    Fuel consumption is very good in the 16v 1.8 style.

    On average, city driving i get 9-10ltr per 100klm's. This is even when the car gets a workout, it dosent really change.

    On the highway, its heaps better. On a snow trip it will get to Jindy with plenty left for a few trips to the ski tube, ie: about 650klm's to 55 litres of fuel. not bad I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmm...CORNERS
    Oooh, I forgot to add......
    Fuel consumption is very good in the 16v 1.8 style.

    On average, city driving i get 9-10ltr per 100klm's. This is even when the car gets a workout, it dosent really change.

    On the highway, its heaps better. On a snow trip it will get to Jindy with plenty left for a few trips to the ski tube, ie: about 650klm's to 55 litres of fuel. not bad I think
    about the same as an ST170

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    you are in the same boat i was 10months ago...
    my first car was and is a 1.8l 306 XT (1996)
    i couldnt recomment this car highly...
    i have nto had to change anything that wasnt due to wear and tear...
    serviceing is quite resonable depending where u go...
    as for fuel consumption, i got over 9 per 100 only once...
    im alwayz around the 8.6mark...and that is with hard driving...
    as for highway..i ahve read 760km from 55l once..and this wasnt all highway...
    i got mine at 82k so the belt was already done...got mine for under 10 which is a bargain for the amount of fun you can have...

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