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    Hey fellas. I am/was? an owner of a 95 XT.

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    I was cut-off by a foolish woman while exiting a round-a-bout. Funny thing is, it was a two lane 'bout and a cop car was giving way to me in one lane and this woman zoomed straight past him. Needless to say she got fined on the spot and my insurance is covering everything.

    Tomorrow my insurer will assess the "wreck" as to whether or not it is a write off.

    Fortunately for me, it has only done 85,000km so she's probably worth 40% more than what I payed, which is why I'm looking at the S16! (Hate to say it, but hopefully it does written off, as the S16 appears to be a winner!)

    I've decided that a couple less doors won't affect me with my present lifestyle, so I'm leaning towards the S16 for it's extra power!

    Which brings me to ask, I know the power rating is a difference of almost 40kw between the two models, so one would naturally assume there'd be a VERY noticable change in performance. Any one who can chip in a few words on the topic?

    Also, could you guys possibly give me a rough guide as to what to pay? As always, I'd rather pay an educated amount. hehe

    Thanks a lot guys! Go the 306!

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    Save or spend a little more and get a GTi-6, its worth the extra $$ in my ideals.
    However good S16's can vary from $12-$15K, but your looking for service history, in particular the timming belt at 80,000K and at 160,000 again. Poorer ones start at lower prices, but like all used cars they just continue to drop every year.
    Also check for engine mounts, wear on tyres etc.... plus all the electronics. Spesh the window mechs. Double check for accident damage etc. Plus oil leaks, the ussualls.
    I recenttly sold mine for $12k, 125,000Ks and was in excelent condition, but i had used the car in super sprints, never crashed and had a receipt for EVERYTHING i done. - Chris

    ps, id still save up and get the Gti-6, you get more Kw's, the better-stiffer N5 chassis, 6 speed gearbox, arguably a better looking car, and its less old. Everything else is just that much better about 5-10%.... not much, but its the little things.
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    i love my s16 but ya a gti-6 would be nicer if you can afford it...

    would recommend the s16 to anyone...

    things i've had to repair in the last 4 months (total ownership)

    look for top engine mounts worn or split... they where not the greatest
    look for vac intake pod leaks... the control arms will not move or will move very very little if there is a leak...

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    If you go for an S16, look for a FULL service history by a specialist peugeot repairer, and only buy a car that's been pampered. If it looks like its been well cared for and has a full history, then it's probably fine.

    Most important of all, get it checked out by a pug specialist such as Auto Paris before you buy.

    Expect to pay about $12-13k for a good one.

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    I just bought my s16 a couple of weeks ago..

    I can say im very impressed with it so far... I paid $13 600 for it, in immaculate condition.. full history by Taylors, and only 77 000 km...
    New tires too

    A great vehicle
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    I wish I could get a GTi-6, but I can't really afford to add anything onto the payout I get, (aside from onroad costs) so I'm looking at around the 12k mark (which is what I expect to get for my XT if it is written off.

    The GTi6 seem to start selling at around 15k and that extra 3k is just too far away - I hate car down time!

    I was happy with my XT, so I think I'll be just as happy settling for second best this time too.

    The 306 I have had a full service history at Regan motors and you can tell it was pampered. Sensible young father who kept it immacuate in and out and on the logs, you can tell he just said "do it" to every little suggestion from his mechanic.

    I'll be looking out for something similar to that with an S16. I've read a few posts where people say "it doesn't feel like 116kw". I'm guessing that's because the peak power is up higher and you have to give it some encouragement to get it going?

    Also, I have a mate who has an Alfa 33 boxer (Clover 4) and he's done a bit of reading and the synopsis is that his beast is a dead match for the S16. That thing has a lot of guts and rather tall gears and as the saying goes "loves to be thrashed". I wouldn't want to compare comfort though, as the Pug wins hands down - the Alfa has rock solid suspension at stock, and although it hugs the road, it feels like a slot car on a cobblestone road.

    Anyway fellas, thanks for your responses. Keep 'em coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylanamus
    Also, I have a mate who has an Alfa 33 boxer (Clover 4) and he's done a bit of reading and the synopsis is that his beast is a dead match for the S16. That thing has a lot of guts and rather tall gears and as the saying goes "loves to be thrashed". I wouldn't want to compare comfort though, as the Pug wins hands down - the Alfa has rock solid suspension at stock, and although it hugs the road, it feels like a slot car on a cobblestone road.

    Anyway fellas, thanks for your responses. Keep 'em coming!
    The 1.5 carby or 1.7 EFI? I had an 85 Sprint Green Cloverleaf with the 1.5l flat four carby and it was in NO way a match for the S16 in power or handling. 78kw vs 116kw in a car about 200kg heavier. Simply put the S16 had a further 10 years of engineering behind it. The Alfa was a great drivers car and taught me a lot though.
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    It's a 1.7 16v injected. 1990 Model at 95~kw

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    Ok so 12K is your mark... are you ready for the extra hike in insurance too.
    I would also suggets you test drive later model Xsi's, in the N5 shape or late 98 build on wards. This might be your better comprimise, if not its the S16. - Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace135
    I just bought my s16 a couple of weeks ago..

    I can say im very impressed with it so far... I paid $13 600 for it, in immaculate condition.. full history by Taylors, and only 77 000 km...
    New tires too

    A great vehicle
    Noticed you're in Adelaide also. A small group of us sometimes go for a bit of a drive through the hills followed by lunch at Hahndorf, Victor Harbour etc. You're welcome to join us if you're interested.

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    Dylanamus,

    As Chris said, don't rule out the Xsi. I've driven both the S16 and Xsi and didn't find much of a difference between the two. The Xsi has the bonus of 4 doors. The Xsi looks a bit of a sleeper though, whereas S16 looks better IMO. I've seen a few very decent Xsi's going for around the 10K mark. Good luck car hunting!
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    I've driven both the S16 and Xsi and didn't find much of a difference between the two.


    hmmm...interesting....but i beg to diffferr......

    Xsi and s16 are TWO completely different beasts in my opinion (one not being a beast at all...ie conservative and much more sophisticated)

    I detailed an xsi a few moons ago....and could not believe the differnce between my s16 and the xsi....

    S16 is much more raw AND A HELLOWA-LOT-MORE-POWERFULL....iT WOULD ABSOLUTELLY MURDER AN XSI.... iTS LIKE COMPARING A 205 GTI TO AN SI..

    The xsi..did feel more sophisticated, partially because of the stiffer chassis and softer ride....nice interior touches (later dash) etc etc......a very comfortable sophisticated ride.....but nowhere in the same league as the s16.....both greta cars...but definitely different classs


    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by dino
    I've driven both the S16 and Xsi and didn't find much of a difference between the two.


    hmmm...interesting....but i beg to diffferr......

    Xsi and s16 are TWO completely different beasts in my opinion (one not being a beast at all...ie conservative and much more sophisticated)

    I detailed an xsi a few moons ago....and could not believe the differnce between my s16 and the xsi....

    S16 is much more raw AND A HELLOWA-LOT-MORE-POWERFULL....iT WOULD ABSOLUTELLY MURDER AN XSI.... iTS LIKE COMPARING A 205 GTI TO AN SI..

    The xsi..did feel more sophisticated, partially because of the stiffer chassis and softer ride....nice interior touches (later dash) etc etc......a very comfortable sophisticated ride.....but nowhere in the same league as the s16.....both greta cars...but definitely different classs


    cheers

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    a little off topic but how does the s16 fair up against the 205gti? im thinking of upgrading too

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue
    a little off topic but how does the s16 fair up against the 205gti? im thinking of upgrading too
    DINO!!!!! your ears must be burning.

    Dino did this very upgrade so hes your man, but having driven both. The 205 is a go kart, the S16 is a bigger/faster go kart with leather... - Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue
    a little off topic but how does the s16 fair up against the 205gti? im thinking of upgrading too
    you dont upgrade to an s16 - its the other way around chief.

    i came from an s16 and upgraded to a 205gti... errr two, in fact .

    rogue theres a million threads re 205gti vs s16 if you do a search, unless of course youre in the mood for some brain damage.

    ive owned both, and prefer the gti, in all respects bar plushness of ride, build quality, interior, and aircon of the s16.

    and yah a gti would blow the doors off an s16, easy.

    thats why i upgraded to a gti

    go do that search bro before this thread turns into a feeding frenzy.
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    hi dyla how did you go with the "wreck assessment" by your insurer?

    is it a write off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugjet
    and yah a gti would blow the doors off an s16, easy.
    And how do you figure that? Both stock, S1 or S2, straight line speed, acceleration, cornering G's etc etc, a statement like that is simply asking to be bitten at.
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    heheh......this indeed is an interesting topic....

    regards....205 gti vs s16....straight line.... S16 is faster FULL STOP...I d say by a full second to a 100....
    I think, the little gti is a deceitfull little b**ch....you are not always moving as fast as you think you are.....Its sling shot ability is undisputed in traffic ie third gear at 70+ and you are gone before the other guy/gal has had time to blink....
    S 16 is not as capable here as one needs to be more acutely aware of corect rev range versus gear selection....torque is there but not as readily availble...hence why they feel a little bit less than the 150hp...its all about torque when it comes to the gti.....S16 is more like honda than a peugeot sometimes if you get what I mean...
    So.....in a sense...pugjet is right from DRIVER perspective re. upgrade...ie 205Gti
    is much more focused and tuned towrads the driver and the "driving/racing" experience...lets face it...most drives in a pug 205gti feel like a bit of a race...one just can not help it...even if its a quick run to get some milk...car begs for it...like I said earlier...a real s***t....
    S16 on the other hand.....well it really doesn t give a rats...it wants to be washed and pampered.....kind of like a high priced...h****er....but geeez...when its in the mood...the experience can really come through (not that I have any idea about that )...it will easily embarrass cars worth much more (and supposedly capable of more)....but one does need to know how to drive one....


    So.....anybody here knows the actual kw vs kw re xsi/ s16....torque difference and finally weight.....xsi I drove wasa 98....felt downright serene performance wise compared to my s16...


    cheers


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    [QUOTE=U Turn]Noticed you're in Adelaide also. A small group of us sometimes go for a bit of a drive through the hills followed by lunch at Hahndorf, Victor Harbour etc. You're welcome to join us if you're interested.

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    Thanks for the invite... sounds like a good idea.. ill have to look in on that for the future

    ...when im less busy anyway
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    I doubt a std. S16 could break 0-100 in under 8.5 secs. A std. GTi can easily.

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    What about an XSi/XT Peter? I used to be able to get 8 second 0-100 runs quite consistantly in my XT on a range of measuring devices. My best was a 7.8. It might seem like a story, but thats what the Gtech/AC22/hand timer said, even when used similtaneously.

    1/4 mile times were about 15.9 seconds.

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    Maybe you're right. It depends a lot on the driver. I just checked some old tests for local 0-100 times:

    Car Australia - 75kW GTi - 8.5 secs
    Motor 7/94 - S16 - 9.3 secs (from a graph)

    Of course a 130hp GTi does it in 7.5 secs.

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    I'd say the clutch in my 306 helped with those times. I could launch it quite well, whereas on some 306's I've noticed the clutch is difficult to manage.

    Can you hit 100 in 2nd in the S16? I forget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    What about an XSi/XT Peter? I used to be able to get 8 second 0-100 runs quite consistantly in my XT on a range of measuring devices. My best was a 7.8. It might seem like a story, but thats what the Gtech/AC22/hand timer said, even when used similtaneously.

    1/4 mile times were about 15.9 seconds.
    Brenno, I've heard your XT was a freak. I've also heard you were able to keep up with a gti6 around corners because you were quite insane..
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    It was the car, really

    Maybe it was just *that* car. Strange.

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