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    Horrible cold wet rainy day here , so I thought I would annoy you blokes.
    Had a few of my "Petrol Head " mates around on the weekend,(mostly ford & holden freaks). Anyhow they kept poking fun at the 604 I am doing up,so naturally the discussion on engines came up. I will be running the PRV engine as I like originality. But as a matter of something to talk about ,has anyone done an alternate V6 conversion on a 504/604??
    It may be an interesting topic as there are heaps of new V6 engines out there, heard you can buy a Magna V6 motor brand new for $2900.
    What about the Rodeo,Adventa, Hilux,etc etc & apparently the new VX Commode boasts 175 KW stock standard.
    Just something to do on a rainy day

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    Why not stick in a Lexus V8???

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnh875
    Why not stick in a Lexus V8???
    Would be a fun machine John , but as you know there are big dramas with V8 conversions in non V8 cars with regards to Roadworthy, Insurance etc etc.
    I was thinking along the lines of the cheap mainstream engine/ gearbox setups.

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    Well it is only 4000cc!!! It should be possible to register, insurance may be a bit steeper though...

    Seriously though I don't think you could go wrong with any of the Nissan/Mitsi/Toyota engines, if you wanted to stay stock the best one would be the new Maxima engine otherwise in more sensible $ the Mitsi 3.5. It is not the most sophisticated (sohc but still 24v) but the extra capacity is useful over the Toyota.

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    i would actually go for a rover 3.9 V8

    years ago i was thinking of the pajero V6 engine
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    The Rodeo 3l V6 is apparently fairly strong; a tradition of Isuzu from what I'm told. They'd be pretty cheap too due to the latest model being released with a different motor. The Hilux V6 would only be a few years old at most so I'm guessing it would cost a pretty penny, but it is a Toyota so you get what you pay for.
    Would a straight six fit into the 604 engine bay? If it could be done, then a 2JZ or 1JZ non-turbo Toyota straight six (from the Supra and Soarer respectively) would be a good option; cheap as chips and they're both upwards of 150KW for a bit of extra 'pep'.
    If it must be a V6, (and this just my opinion, having never studied a 604 that closely) I'd go with the Rodeo or a Camry V6. Probably the most cost effective options and they shouldn't create too many insurance hassles etc.
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    put it this way, a 604 has the same engine bay as a 504
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    Just as cheap to soup up the PRV i would have thought? . They go pretty hard with a pair of snails attached, and keeps it all Pug for when you blow the doors off your mates FalcaDore (and the smug grins off their faces)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLIPPERY PIZZA
    Horrible cold wet rainy day here , so I thought I would annoy you blokes.
    Had a few of my "Petrol Head " mates around on the weekend,(mostly ford & holden freaks). Anyhow they kept poking fun at the 604 I am doing up,so naturally the discussion on engines came up. I will be running the PRV engine as I like originality. But as a matter of something to talk about ,has anyone done an alternate V6 conversion on a 504/604??
    It may be an interesting topic as there are heaps of new V6 engines out there, heard you can buy a Magna V6 motor brand new for $2900.
    What about the Rodeo,Adventa, Hilux,etc etc & apparently the new VX Commode boasts 175 KW stock standard.
    Just something to do on a rainy day
    Why not go for a holden or chev V8. Use a beefed up 604 Trimatic, bellhousing from a VK commodore. all you have to fabricate is the front engine mounts. Sump should be simple as there are many aftermarket options eg: High Energy, These engines would eaisly fit in the 604 engine bay, weight may be a problem though.
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    Thanks mrd,forgot the trannie is a common Trimatic, so this opens up many possibilities ,as they must have made 100's of different bell housings for different car companies.
    This would be an easy conversion if the trimatic bolts up to one of Holdens later model V6's ( something with a bit more grunt than the original VN) with a stock bell housing, if not has anyone had one made for a specific motor/box - how much do they usually cost??
    You are right there's a ton of room in the engine bay, but I still lean to A V6,no rego problems & less weight. Besides the old GM V8's are dinosaurs unless worked over, compared to the newer motors (Maxima V6 - 171 KW out of the box).
    Will now change channels to the Commode Forum & ask them about the Trimatic & V6.

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    Was it just Aussie 604s or did they all use the Traumatic auto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnh875
    Was it just Aussie 604s or did they all use the Traumatic auto?

    some overseas cars had the ZF as well but most of them had the strasburg trimatic box

    i'll stick with the PRV as you can get so much out of them
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    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0

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    Castlemaine Rod Shop also do custom bellhousings to suit almost anything,
    Dellow Automotive in Sydney do them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrd
    Castlemaine Rod Shop also do custom bellhousings to suit almost anything,
    Dellow Automotive in Sydney do them too.
    Thanks mrd, good to know. Haven't heard from our Commode mates re the V6 to a Traumatic, they may need some Peugeot Power to get the Web Site fired up.
    As I said in my original post I wil be staying with the PRV, this discussion was merely something to do on a rainy day , besides I've got a spare 604 to play with in my "SPARE TIME????"

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    To keep everyone happy, why not a Chev V8 diesel? Your mates will love it, the insurance company won't care as it's "only" a diesel, and you'll have 500Nm of tyre shredding torque!

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    that relay isnt as silly as it sounds..

    my mate currently is having a whole bag of fun with his sigma with the 4 banger pejero turbo diesel engine. same basis as the 4G block of course so it bolted straight in.. hasnt got quite as much as 500nm only 300

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    I donít think the Commodore V6 will bolt up to the Trimatic, they normally use a TH700 4speed auto. The old 308 blocks have very distinct Turbo- (for T350 auto) and Trimatic-pattern variations to the bellhousing bolt patterns.

    Bowie, I would be interested in finding out more about the turbo diesel Sigma (maybe by pm if it is not French enough )

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    How about a 406SV 3.0? Keep it in the family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnh875
    I donít think the Commodore V6 will bolt up to the Trimatic, they normally use a TH700 4speed auto. The old 308 blocks have very distinct Turbo- (for T350 auto) and Trimatic-pattern variations to the bellhousing bolt patterns.

    Bowie, I would be interested in finding out more about the turbo diesel Sigma (maybe by pm if it is not French enough )
    I believe Hadfields have a conversion.
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    Or perhaps the TH700 will go on the gearbox crossmember - that would be a better outcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnh875
    Or perhaps the TH700 will go on the gearbox crossmember - that would be a better outcome
    What gearbox cross member?
    That was the attraction of the 604 Trimatic, bolts straight on to the unusual 504/604/505 torque tube setup.
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    Oops! Ok, you've got me, I don't think I've seen the underside of a 504!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugnut403
    How about a 406SV 3.0? Keep it in the family.
    Like how much to pickup a406 SV motor/ box , any idea of KW / NM etc.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLIPPERY PIZZA
    Like how much to pickup a406 SV motor/ box , any idea of KW / NM etc.
    Thanks.

    how much power would you like out of the engine

    i think this is a good place to start and then decisions can m=be made from there
    3 x '78 604 SL

    1 x 2018 3008

    1 x 2000 Citroen XM,

    1 x '98 306 GTi6 sadly sold

    1 x secret project

    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

    1 x '99 406SV 5spd wagon, time to burn more fuel

    1 x 1994 605 SV3.0

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