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    Hello All,

    I have a mate who is really cash poor and his 505 engine is stuffed, so I thought i'd put a good 504 motor in I have here.

    None of this is a problem but is anyone aware if there is any issue with the 504 tin sump going into a 505 ? does it all clear or will I need to put the 505 sump on ?

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    Ben, Not what you asked but no problems going alloy sump 505 into 504. Has the car got aircon ?
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    Hey Bob,

    AC is stuffed so it's coming out, this is a bit of a patch up job i'm doing......hate doing them but hey!

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    I put a diesel 504 motor into a diesel 505 thinking ittwould be easy, when I got to meshing the engine and gearbox together I discovered that the cunning engineers had slightly changed the pressure plate hole so it was differrent and therefore would not go without having to change the clutch plates etc; so check this first, otherwise I think it a good idea.
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    Ben
    why not swap the sumps over while you have both motors out, you will have to fit a choke cable, and I think the accelerator cable will need some modification, then there is always the valve recession problem to contend with, but every thing should bolt up ok.
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    I've got a 504 Solex carb on my 505's engine. The accelerator cable had to be modified but other than that it just bolted on. It has a (working, yay!) automatic choke.
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    Thanks Guys,

    I've got everything covered bar the sump, i've done plenty of engine and carbie swaps all I want to know is will the 504 sump foul the crossmember or anything on a 505 I would assume not.....but


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    Quote Originally Posted by Filldebin
    I put a diesel 504 motor into a diesel 505 thinking ittwould be easy, when I got to meshing the engine and gearbox together I discovered that the cunning engineers had slightly changed the pressure plate hole so it was differrent and therefore would not go without having to change the clutch plates etc; so check this first, otherwise I think it a good idea.
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    When I think about it , it might have been the flywheel that was different, but this is probably not the case with petrol engines as I am sure someone else would have pointed that out.
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    how about the sump ?
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    If you're asking me about the sump, I 'dunnae' on the petrol ones. I did not change the sump on the diesel ones.

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    But I dont want to change a diesel, i'm only interested in the petrol ?
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    Ben,

    Methinks it may be easier to just swap the sumps over.
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    i would swap the sump anyway - i have heard the alloy 505 sump results in a stiffer motor - ie smoother. Plus it has the mounts for the AC compressor - worth keeping should you ever feel inclined to get it working again (dont think i could ever own a car again sans AC, but i think thats just me getting soft... )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug_405_Mi16
    But I dont want to change a diesel, i'm only interested in the petrol ?
    D'Oh! I obviously mentioned it it as precautionary measure even if it is a petrol engine you are obviously talking about. Your concern is for the sump, but that does not preclude other problems that unexpectedly may crop up and in my simplemindedness I thought that I would point out a problem that might be okay and that I, however, came across, albeit, with the diesel engines and that was a 504 into a 505.

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    Well i was just talking to my oldman about the converstion he did, and apparently the 504 sump will fit into the 505. but he put his into a GR, not sure what year.
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    How did the conversion go? Was it only the sump or were there other problems that cropped up?

    I might want to do a similar thing here later.

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    Phil,


    Didnt end up doing it, the car was too far gone to bother, I did some measuring up with a couple of spare sumps and there were no problems!

    Cheers

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