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    I have a bit of a drama with my gearbox and was thinking of putting a lower km 2nd hand gearbox in it. Is the BE1 found in any other Pug...205 ect??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal
    I have a bit of a drama with my gearbox and was thinking of putting a lower km 2nd hand gearbox in it. Is the BE1 found in any other Pug...205 ect??

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    You should find the BE1 in other Peugeots & Citroens of around the same age, But finding ones with the same ratios you already have might be a bit harder.

    Check the number stamped on the top of the gearbox casing for a match if you want to keep the same ratios.
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    Word to the wise; be sure if you get one that it is one from an EFI car unless you intend fitting it yourself.
    One of the Cit guys recently did a conversion from Auto to a BE1 manual only to find that the bellhousing didn't have a hole in it to fit the crank angle sensor and the ones fitting it wouldn't drill the hole to fit one resulting in a major drama all round.
    One of those things you don't realise until the whole thing is lying in bits on the workshop floor or more likely, sitting in the car with a grease monkey waving a CAS in the air screaming "where do I put this??"


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    I'd give Adrian Wuillemin a call. I'm sure he could cobble something up for you. You've even got the opportunity to slip some closer 3rd/4th ratios from a 205 in!

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    Go for a BE3 if you can, I got mine from a 306 Cab and the ratios were fine.

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    I'm actually a bit surprised that Cals car has a BE1 as my BX16V is the same model but runs a BE3 and the only BE1 we have is in a 1988 BX16V all the rest are BE3
    What's the story there, anyone know?


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    My car was built in 89.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal
    My car was built in 89.

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    So was mine but what's wrong with the box that's in it?

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    It seems most PSA vehicles switched over around the middle of 1989, or at least sometime during 1989.

    My 405 was registered in January 1990 so would have been built sometime in England during 1989, and has the BE3.

    Cal's must've been an early 1989 build and Alan, yours a later 1989 build.

    I would also say go for a BE3. I had a BE1 in my 309 and I definitely prefer the BE3 shift quality, it just feels more solid and tighter. The consensus seems to be the BE3 is a stronger box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis
    It seems most PSA vehicles switched over around the middle of 1989, or at least sometime during 1989.

    My 405 was registered in January 1990 so would have been built sometime in England during 1989, and has the BE3.

    Cal's must've been an early 1989 build and Alan, yours a later 1989 build.

    I would also say go for a BE3. I had a BE1 in my 309 and I definitely prefer the BE3 shift quality, it just feels more solid and tighter. The consensus seems to be the BE3 is a stronger box.
    Another vote for the BE3. And i would also change the diff bearings, as a minimum, before putting it in. We've all seen the mess the diff makes to the 'box case as it munches its way out



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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis
    The consensus seems to be the BE3 is a stronger box.
    An urban myth. They're identical inside. The later models as fitted to 306 are stronger however. And the BE3 fitted to the Xantia Turbo has double synchros.

    If I had a really good original '89 Mi16, I'd want to keep it that way. But then I'm one of those "originality is everything" persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT
    But then I'm one of those "originality is everything" persons.
    Says the man with two 205mi16's in his sig

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave
    Says the man with two 205mi16's in his sig

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    Ah yes, but the Mi16 and the Xantia are bog stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT
    An urban myth. They're identical inside. The later models as fitted to 306 are stronger however. And the BE3 fitted to the Xantia Turbo has double synchros.

    If I had a really good original '89 Mi16, I'd want to keep it that way. But then I'm one of those "originality is everything" persons.
    Ah interesting, quite a strong urban myth then.

    I'm also a fan of keeping things fairly original but when it comes to practical modifcations I thought going to a slightly later gearbox but still of the same essential family might not necessarily be a bad move.

    In realising that there is no inherant strength different between the two I guess there is no real reason to change. The lift-up reverse never really bothered me that much, but I still feel the BE3 has a better shift quality.

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    Thanks for the advice. The car is a very good (if I do say so myself ) and for the most part original (apart from wheels, suspension, exhaust, brakes and intake ). I will not know what is the wrong with the box until I pull it out. It feels like syncros, but it happened in the space of a day and it is a problem for 3rd and 4th gears. Seems very strange if it is 2 syncros. I'll do the clutch and check out the diff while I'm there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal
    Thanks for the advice. The car is a very good (if I do say so myself ) and for the most part original (apart from wheels, suspension, exhaust, brakes and intake ). I will not know what is the wrong with the box until I pull it out. It feels like syncros, but it happened in the space of a day and it is a problem for 3rd and 4th gears. Seems very strange if it is 2 syncros. I'll do the clutch and check out the diff while I'm there.

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    Don't forget that the syncros are common, in that you have one on each shaft. So one for first/second, another for third/fourth and the last for fifth. So something to think about, could be a bearing too i suppose.


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