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    I've got this suspicion that my front wheels occaisionally come into contact with the wheel archs. An example is when I come too quickly into a large dip while turning (like a large but gentle gutter on the side of the road) I hear metal rubbing against something. At first I thought it was my front mudflaps so I took them off, but it still occurs. Then I noticed that some of the wheel arch has become deformed a little up the top, like something pulled the metal lip down a bit. Have this photo of it. Since then I had pushed it back using a rubber mallet, but after a few more crunching entrances to our driveway and others, it has appeared again. What do you guys think? Fairly soon it will be getting 70 profile tyres (compared to its current 80 profile) so maybe that will give it more clearance? <img src="http://users.bigpond.net.au/njms_area/bump.jpg" alt=" - " />

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    Must have taken a fair amount of effort to bend the lip like that, are there any scuff marks on the side of the tyre? I would imagine there would be some scuffing or even bits of rubber missing if it's the tyre causing the lip to do that. It doesn't look as though there's much clearance there. Can't really think of anything else that could cause it, so the lower profile tyres might possibly fix it...?

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    Just went outside and checked - even more is bent out since that photo, and there is scuffing marks on the tyre. Yet another reason to spend my tax return on tyres
    Nick
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    You can gets your guards rolled, and too be safe just try a 55 series tyre.

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    LOL.

    I think my car would look a bit stupid with a 55 profile on 14" wheels clown
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    What about 65's Nick,

    They would be fine I would think ! 185/65/14's ?

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    yar dude, see if you can get your Gurads rolled too!

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    lol pump the guard riiiight out haha. head_ban
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    I had 195x75x14 tyres on my 505 turbo diesel, which are taller profile than standard. I experienced this problem, but it only happens if you hit a bump or similar while you have a bit of lock on the steering. The tyre tread grabs the guard for the instant that it's at the top of the bounce and pulls a bit of it down like in your pic. It was no trouble for me to push it back into position by hand.

    I reckon 185x75 or 195x70 are the right size tyres for a 14x5 steel wheel on a 504 or 505. If your tyres are 80 series like you said I guess they are 175x80? Both alternative sizes above have a slightly lower sidewall height than these. You shouldn't really have any trouble with any of these 3 size tyres hitting guards if you're aware it can happen and allow for it.

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    True. It caught me off guard (no pun intended).

    I have 185/80 tyres. For it to happen you don't need to be on full lock, although it is morel likely to happen if that is the case.

    Thanks for the feedback everyone, I look forward to my new tyres
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    Nick from that photo your front spring's are sagged.Put new spring's in,the car sit's level,handles better and won't scrub the tyres.What happens is the strut is bottoming ouy on the bump stop because the spring is weak.Every 505 until the mid 80's sagged like that but only a few have ever been fixed properly.

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    I'm with Chuck on this one,

    The front end does look a bit low for a stock 505.....

    There is absolutely no reason why the tyres should hit the guards with (healthy) stock suspension, tyre and wheel size.

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    nice paint job there, looks like a nice 505

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    Nick,

    Get some 85 model GTI or STI springs. You shouldn't have any worries then, and your car will corner alot flatter two.

    Dave

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    Thanks guys,

    I'll think about replacing the springs next year, we'll see how it all goes.

    For now I'll just get new tyres
    Nick
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    "All of its cars from the 1.1 litre 205 through the ugly duckling 309 to the 2.2 litre 505 GTi had a rightness and a righteousness about them that turned every humdrum drive into a journey. Someone, I once wrote, in the bowels of Peugeot understands handling and how a chassis should feel." - Jeremy Clarkson

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