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    Default Peugeot 104

    Im assuming these never came here???

    Anyone import them in?
    Anyone had any experience with them, all i know is that they came before the 205.



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    There is one for sale here in Melbourne.

    Dig up in the for sale section. and Carsales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purrr-geot
    Im assuming these never came here???

    Anyone import them in?
    Anyone had any experience with them, all i know is that they came before the 205.

    I drove one in Noumea in 1973.
    Fantastic ride, soaks up rocks, ruts etc. better than 504. Plenty of opportunity to try this out as Noumea is renowned for rough dirt roads. The down side to this is a lot of body roll.
    Revved well but you would need the bigger ZS engine to get any worthwhile performance.
    The gearbox in sump is very good for fast shifts but a bit notchy for normal driving.
    Very interesting car but the 205 has a wider appeal.
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    Let's go halvies, or better find another 2, and buy it as a society. I don't mind throwing a thousand or two to save the only 104 in Kangaroo land.

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    What is it with pugs in balwyn...?

    I remember seeing one of these in france last year... interesting lines - look pretty similar to some of the british cars of the era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug4eva
    http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_content.private_vehicle?vehicle_id=2151114

    Let's go halvies, or better find another 2, and buy it as a society. I don't mind throwing a thousand or two to save the only 104 in Kangaroo land.
    Who said it is the only one?
    I know of a ZS being driven daily and there is a 4 door in Box Hill in the process of being put on the road.
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    graham, what engine sizes did these come in?

    was the ZS, the gti equivalent??

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    Quote Originally Posted by purrr-geot
    graham, what engine sizes did these come in?

    was the ZS, the gti equivalent??
    1000cc, 1100cc and 1360cc, the same as the TU engined 205s. In fact the first 205s had the same engine (with gearbox in the sump) as the 104s.
    Yes the ZS was the GTi equivalent, with either twin carbies or a single twin throat weber.
    I reckon the rear styling was much better on the 4 door than the ZS and I believe the high power engine was also available in the four door (known as the S), so this would be my choice.
    There were some works 104s run in rallies during the 70s and by some pretty big names such as Timo Makinen.
    The Talbot Samba (rebadged 104) was also a success in rallying and the British continued to develop this car to very good power outputs and some excellent results in rallying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by al
    What is it with pugs in balwyn...?

    I remember seeing one of these in france last year... interesting lines - look pretty similar to some of the british cars of the era.

    Because they look so good parked at the Safeway carpark... plus there's a Pug dealership in the neighborhood.

    That 104 looks like an old Ford Escort probably of the same vintage.
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    I had one here in Sweden for a few years several years ago, it was a 1977 model with the 4 speed box. It went well but was not really quick, sitting on a hundred kms was okay and the ride was very good and it was both fun and stabile on the snowy roads. Mine was a four door in royal blue.
    I have given away any parts that I had but a few small things remain with me including the little driver's manual which would be great for you to have if you read Swedish.
    The car is basically the same a Citroen Visa, mechanical parts interchangeable, and one of the Renaults had same engine and other bits. I had to replace the starter a couple of times and one came directly from a Visa. The hardest part was the doing anything to the points or distributor as it was very badly placed. This I believe was better on the later ones which also had five speed boxes and were generally faster on the highways. The back shockers I changed also from a Cit. There are different tops to shockers depending on the model of 104.
    Parts are obtainable here and there quite afew left. Rust as usual got most of them.
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    hey, i thought the exact identical car was the Citroen LN

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    Quote Originally Posted by orestes
    hey, i thought the exact identical car was the Citroen LN

    Possibly it is an LN in other countries or in different years. When I needed parts I just looked out for Visas and the 104 itself. maybe a visa is a citroen LN, I dunno.
    Reminds me that when I was going to scrap it I took it out for a run on the freeway (motorway) and managed to get it up to 135 kph. Another funny thing was that the only time I got a puncture was on the way home from the last run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filldebin
    Possibly it is an LN in other countries or in different years. When I needed parts I just looked out for Visas and the 104 itself. maybe a visa is a citroen LN, I dunno.
    Reminds me that when I was going to scrap it I took it out for a run on the freeway (motorway) and managed to get it up to 135 kph. Another funny thing was that the only time I got a puncture was on the way home from the last run.
    The LN is a 104, the Visa was a totally different car which used the 104/LN running gear in one of its models. The Visa also used an air cooled Citroen motor.
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    My first car was a 104ls 954cc.I was doing my appreniship at Talbot/Peugeot dealer in uk at the time.Got up to 97 mph as any young driver would.Was a great first car very good mpg.It was replaced by Talbot Samba.My car was a bright orange colour,never lost it in a carpark.

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    The LN was Pug was it? I found my Driver's manual which is actually in French, English, Italian and Swedish, so it can still be useful for others.
    I also have a Haynes manual for the 104s. It covers the 104, GL,ZL,SL,ZS,and S; 954 and 1124 cc, but, it says, not the Rallye, ZR, GR or SR. The manual was printed in 1980 and, therefore, following models are not noted. It does not cover 5 speed boxes.
    (The manual is in English. Observe that I have no intention of selling this and I have no scanner if someone needs info.)
    My 104 was an SL.

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    While living and working in the UK ['82-'83] I bought a 104 ZS cheap, it had a dud cam and rockers a la PRV6. Because of the extreme mounting angle of the engine it was necessary to remove the engine / trans unit to replace these items.
    ZS ? I'm sure this one was a mock up, small engine, 4 speed box and steel rims.
    It was a trifle small for what we needed touring etc but I would have loved to have had it here in Aus as a hobby car.
    The 104, Cit LN and Talbot Samba were similar. The same engine was used in the Renault 14. The latter reminded me of Cinderella's pumpkin coach!

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    Some details on the 104 courtesy of Autocar, 20/1/1979.
    Announced October 1972. Completely new design, no carry-over from the 204/304. Engine lies at 72degrees on top of the transmission casings.
    Engines: 954cc (44bhpDin), 1124cc (57bhp) available on saloons from 1976,
    1124cc (66bhp) 104 ZL & ZS short wheelbase 3 door coupes.
    The motor was used in the Renault 14 in bored 1218cc form. The Citroen LN used the 3 door 104 body with Citroen engine and transmission. The Citroen Visa used 104 floor pan/suspension and the Super also used 104 engine/transmission.
    Bodies (Britain): May 1973 4 door saloon imported. November 1976 4 door saloon replaced by 5 door models. ZS 3 door from 1976, ZL October 1978.
    What to look for/problem areas: crowded engine bay, distributor hidden away. Spare wheel under bonnet but unrestrained in early models. All models have excessive transmission noise. Chatter in the drive train is characteristic. Engine susceptible to poor starting both hot and cold. Short brake pad life. Rust "in the usual places".
    Performance was modest except for the 104ZS which would achieve 96 mph and 60 mph in 13.6 seconds.

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    anyone got pics of the engine bay, i want to see this engine ?

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    No engine bay pix - you can't see much anyway - the spare tyre and the aircleaner get in the way - but this cutaway drawing - interesting idea - moves the weight back as far as possible I suppose.

    I remember a very yellow Renault 14 with this layout at the last Bastille Day show in Sydney - from Victoria or SA? - it apparently failed to proceed in a spectacular fashion with a broken gearbox or timing chain?



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    Quote Originally Posted by purrr-geot
    anyone got pics of the engine bay, i want to see this engine ?
    if you have a haynes manual for your 205 look at the TU series engines. It won't give you engine bay photos but it will give you a good idea about the engines that were used in the 104's

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    Default Peugeot 104.

    It's all coming back to me.
    Because the, in sump, gearbox,[or was it just the crown wheel ?] used plain bearings lubricated by engine oil pressure, towing the 104 was a no no !

    Someone has alluded the 104 sedan as looking similar to the Ford Escort?
    Nothing like it. More along the lines of an early Mazda or Colt.
    The ZS [Short Cut] 104 retained the Pug look but the 4 door looked very bland.

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    there was a 104 for sale on car sales recently (a few months now) and i do know of a couple that get around queensland, though i don't know there exact location

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    Quote Originally Posted by orestes
    if you have a haynes manual for your 205 look at the TU series engines. It won't give you engine bay photos but it will give you a good idea about the engines that were used in the 104's
    No, the TU replaced the 104 style engines in the late eighties and was completely different.
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    I was lucky enough to get a high speed ride in a 104ZS on Sunday at Precott Hill Climb, here in England. There were 47,700 104s sold in the UK, there are now only 67 left on the road, with another 140 kept registered off road. The ZS I went is, only 1 of 3 on the road now. There were two 104 versions a 3 door hatch, like the ZS in the picture link, and a 5 door hatchback. They all shared common engines and running gear, (same engines as pre-88 205's). The Talbot Samba and Citroen LN were also badge engineered versions, although they had slight panel changes meaning they are not interchangable with 104. Citroen also used the LN version and made LNA a 652cc air cooled version.

    Going back to this ZS its been uprated with 505 GTi front discs, twin webbers with race spec jets etc. Its pushing out 115bhp, from 1360cc, and sticks to the road like glue.


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    I forgot to mention, check out http://www.rootes-chrysler.co.uk/ and read the Samba story there, including the Cabriolet version which I had forgotton about myself.

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