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    Anyone ever seen a 505GTI hotted up ???

    Im curious to know if any of the froggy forum ppls have ever come across,or done a 505GTI major overhaul ??

    By that i mean , not just a restoration , but hotted up !!

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    Like new wheels , paint job , body kits , engines , interiors etc...

    Id be curious to know how it looks.....

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    Waste of time in my opinion, but the indonesians love to. Seek on google and you shall find...
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    i do remember someone putting in a rb26dett skyline gtr motor in one, think it was a shop on a yahoo group pgac or something...

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    Waste of time in my opinion, but the indonesians love to. Seek on google and you shall find...
    Although "GTI" in 505gti might as well stand for "good to ignite"....as far as GTI-like performance is concerned...

    I'm afraid far more attention is given to far less deserving cars out there than 505s......

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    wooooooohh settle down there guys! a peugeot is a peugeot no matter what! any peugeot is worth spending money on in my books! and where else can you find a $3000 car with incredible handling than the 505?
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    I would agree , which is kinda why i posted this note.

    If you were to do that to a 505 , its a cheap and good place to start. And i think it wouldnt look too bad if done right...

    ... anyway , done my google search , got nothing .... so still looking...

    anyone ?

    Thanks to all that have posted notes too , much apreciated.

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    Ahh,TestySpice,
    ChuckySpice here,and at the moment I'm doing a deal to put together a PRV 150kw V6,5 speed,limited slip diff weapon using some well proven parts my brother put together years ago.This combination blew his one year old '88 405 Mi16 into the weeds and is capable of tyre smoke through 2nd gear and 'U'turns using the thottle.Hopfully the bits will be together before X'mas . I hope to put this into a sweet '85 505 GTI on which I have just had the dark grey mettalic paint repaired.

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    Now that is what im talking about.

    Chuckyspice ( nice name )

    I would love to hear more , especially the trials and tribulations that you encounter putting the jigsaw together. Love to see photos too if you have any.

    Sounds fabulous. Nice colour choice as well.

    Thanks for the posting on here as well.

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    There are a few 505's running around Melbourne with twin-turbo'd 2.8L V6s (using the engine out of the Pug 604/Volvo 264). Damn quick!

    As for body kits, I've never seen anything on sale in Australia. I've seen plenty of shoddy stuff on the internet from Indonesia though.

    Alloy wheels are limited to Peugeot 504/604/505 wheels, a few Cheviot styles, or you can buy new Superlite wheels. Another option is getting some 14" steel wheels enlarged to 16". Oh yeah, and the Subaru Leon/Brumby used the same stud pattern, however they had 13" wheels :p .

    Here is Dave's site with pictures of all the wheels available:
    <a href="http://www.geocities.com/davemcbean/wheeltypes.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/davemcbean/wheeltypes.html</a>

    This is one of the many indonesian 505 sites:
    <a href="http://www.geocities.com/dkadarisman/images/505/505_1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/dkadarisman/images/505/505_1.htm</a>

    You will notice that some of those have different wheels on them. They have redrilled the stud pattern or fitted adaptor plates to fit different alloys. That is illegal to do in Australia.

    Here's another one
    <a href="http://www.peugeot-505.com/" target="_blank">http://www.peugeot-505.com/</a>

    <small>[ 01 October 2003, 08:22 AM: Message edited by: nJm ]</small>
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    Nick,

    Thanks for those links , appreciated.

    I see what you mean when you say shoddy stuff from indonesia. I wasnt aware that id have so much trouble with wheels if i were to change the ones on mine. Interesting.

    I say with some amount of jest , wonder is a Gen3 Holden 5.7 would fit !!!


    Thanks again.

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    Here's a pic of the Danielson kit for the 2.2 litre alloy motor 505:

    <img src="http://membres.lycos.fr/cit43/Autoshorsserie_2/Peugeot_hors_serie/505_Danielson_ens.jpg" alt=" - " />

    Notice it includes a modified head, camshaft and extractors, but it is only a 135hp modification (still nice though).

    If you don't mind deciphering French then you can read a little bit about it at:

    <a href="http://membres.lycos.fr/cit43/Autoshorsserie_2/Peugeot_505_Danielson.htm" target="_blank">http://membres.lycos.fr/cit43/Autoshorsserie_2/Peugeot_505_Danielson.htm</a>

    Personally, I think the 2.2 is a little bit complicated in the engine bay for a motor that small. A PRV V6 with 2975cc liners and pistons dosen't pack the engine bay that much more and gives alot more performance.

    I think a 5.7 Gen3 GM V8 could fit also

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    Just had a quote on a new Gen3 5.7 !!!

    $9780 inc GST !

    Hmmmmmmm......

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    I've seen 505's with Rover 3.5L V8s, and also 4.4L Holden ones. The main issue with the large iron V8s that GM have is the extra weight over the front axle. Could really effect the handling.

    Also, with excessive power the suspension setup on a 505 goes from being predictably safe to twitchy as per 6cyl BMWs from the 70s/80s using the same semi-trailing rear arms.
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    nJm:

    Also, with excessive power the suspension setup on a 505 goes from being predictably safe to twitchy as per 6cyl BMWs from the 70s/80s using the same semi-trailing rear arms.
    Yeah, I think the easy 200-220hp and 260-280Nm you could get from a 2975cc 12V PRV V6 would give more than enough go for the road. Unless you're using it for motorsport, more powerful engines would be a bit redundant in a 1300kg 2WD road car.

    Here's a pic of WA aussiefrogger John Lane's neat and clean 505 PRV V6 engine bay conversion:

    <img src="http://home.space.net.au/~nethow/V6-Pug-004.jpg" alt=" - " />

    Contrast this with the way a stock 505 PRV V6 looks:
    <img src="http://www.angelfire.com/mech/nzpug/images/505V6Engine2.jpg" alt=" - " />

    The one advantage which the stock one has is more space between the firewall and engine, but in all other respects John's has more room.

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    If you want to see modified 505s from France, go here:

    <a href="http://perso.club-internet.fr/leverdie/505_France.htm" target="_blank">http://perso.club-internet.fr/leverdie/505_France.htm</a>

    And click on each pic to get more pics of each car.

    The main website is here with alot of stuff about racing and 4X4 505s:

    <a href="http://perso.club-internet.fr/leverdie/sommaire.htm" target="_blank">http://perso.club-internet.fr/leverdie/sommaire.htm</a>
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    Originally posted by nJm
    <strong>.....They have redrilled the stud pattern or fitted adaptor plates to fit different alloys. That is illegal to do in Australia.....
    Is it really?

    Well, it's not illegal to use alternate hubs with different stud patterns. Ford Falcon, for instance. Make new hubs for the rear? Big job...

    I don't think it's illegal to redrill... surely not?

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    Ray Bell:

    I don't think it's illegal to redrill... surely not?
    It seems to be illegal in NSW, or atleast that's what everyone says (I haven't looked at a copy of the rule).

    All those other wheels they put on 505s in Indonesia looks sad on a 505. Personally I don't think I've seen a wheel which suits the 505 better than the series 1 GTI 15" or the 16" modified TRX wheels which John Lane and his father made:

    <img src="http://home.space.net.au/~nethow/finishedtrx16.JPG" alt=" - " />

    <img src="http://home.space.net.au/~nethow/finishedtrx162.JPG" alt=" - " />

    You can find out how these 16" wheels were made in this thread:
    <a href="http://www.aussiefrogs.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000548" target="_blank">http://www.aussiefrogs.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000548</a>

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    I feel sure the rules preclude heating or welding... which shouldn't be necessary to put the Falcon (or, say, early Holden or maybe early Valiant) pattern on the rear.

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    On the issue of rims on the 505. Well im a bit of a ricer, but my dad has owned numerous 505 gti's over the years & to this day those 505 rims in my eyes are a work of art & one of the best set or rims (looks wise) going around, i've seen them on a few 504 too!!!
    As for trying to clean the 505 rims, well get a nice brush which can fit in tight spaces and be very patient :p .

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    hmmmm what do you think? roll_lau roll_lau roll_lau
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    Terrible... it must ride like one of pugrambo's drays...

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    Gosh that blue thing is a tad overdone for what i was initially thinking....

    Id agree with many thoughts as well that the original wheels on the GTi do look the best as some of the others in the photo's shown on the websites above dont do it real justice.

    The common engine that i read in this thread of notes seems to be a 2975cc 12V PRV V6. Was this one from the 604 ? as i thought that it was dogged with problems...

    Many thanks all for the posted notes... been great to read.

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    Gosh that blue thing is a tad overdone for what i was initially thinking....

    Id agree with many thoughts as well that the original wheels on the GTi do look the best as some of the others in the photo's shown on the websites above dont do it real justice.

    The common engine that i read in this thread of notes seems to be a 2975cc 12V PRV V6. Was this one from the 604 ? as i thought that it was dogged with problems...

    Many thanks all for the posted notes... been great to read.
    the 2664cc engine is the 604 engine
    the odd fire version is the strongest engine
    the problems they had stemmed from introducing the car out here with twin point ignition and a crappy twin carb setup
    stick electronic ignition in them and either a proper manifold with a single carb or injection on them and they are fine engine
    they are a very under stressed engine and have a lot of potential with very simple and cheap mods which of course return great gains

    put all this into a 504/505 with a BA10/5 box and good suspension and you have a rice eater package in an old car
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    Ray Bell:
    it must ride like one of pugrambo's drays...
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    TestySpice:

    The common engine that i read in this thread of notes seems to be a 2975cc 12V PRV V6. Was this one from the 604 ? as i thought that it was dogged with problems....
    Most of the PRV V6s are 2664cc or 2849cc, but I think you can fit 2975cc liners and pistons to any of them. These 3 litre engines were commonly fitted to the Eagle Premier in the US (a US version of the Renault 25) and that is probably the cheapest place to get 3 litre liners and pistons rather than ordering 605 or XM liners and pistons from france.

    As Pugrambo said, the strongest crankshaft is the early odd fire version, although this may not work with some aftermarket electronic ignition systems, but this is OK because the Volvo odd fire V6 ignition is quite good as it is.

    If you really wanted to go all out you could use a rare 24V V6 from some of the european 605s, but the distributor may be in the wrong place (can be overcome by distributorless ignition, if it doesn't already have it).

    Best value for money is probably just a 2849cc oddfire injected V6 from a very late Volvo 265 or early 760. You can get these for less than $300 at some "pull it out yourself" wreckers.

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