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    EBC green stuff & rotors

    hi all

    i`m looking at getting new breaks for the 306 and i have been look at the EBC green stuff and i know that alot of you do use them and you are all happy with them so just a few questions

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    if i by the green stuff pads do i need to by the rotors that go with it,or just put them on the old ones question question or just buy the ebc green stuff and the rotors but how much i`m look at and how much are just the pads by them self question question wat do you all think

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    i have 306 xsi and for front and rear discs and pads(grenstuff v4) for parts only was about $900 from memorey from STAR performance at five dock, had the parts in 2 das after i ordered and was most helpful.

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    If you want the best result,

    i would use greenstuff rotors, and pads on the front. As for the rear, only 15% of your braking is done with the rear brakes, so i don't know wether it's worth spending the extra money on green stuff rotors for the rear..

    However to reduce carbon build up on your rear wheels, i would use greenstuff pads...

    The best price for this gear would have to be at
    <a href="http://www.pugsport.com.au" target="_blank">PugSport</a> an internet based pug bits site..

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    John,

    If your rotors are below minimum thickness after the next machining I would change the rototrs as well otherwise I would buy the pads for the front only for the time being. Get some Castrol Formula R Dot4.1+ brake fluid at the same time and ask for a brake system flush. (306GTi takes 1 1/2 complete bottles for flush). The improvemenet from this change will be noticable.
    Vented or grooved rotors will help to keep the pads clean and keep the temperature down in extreme driving conditions (ie regular track use or Putty road sprints on weekly basis - SPEEDING IS BAD MMMMKay ! ). Cross drilled and grooved rotors are a waste of money. Either modification will do. Both just add cost not performance improvement. But they look tuff.

    For normal daily street usage standard rotors are more than adequate! Spend the saved money elsewhere. Advanced driving course for eg.

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    ps. If you want the pads and rotors, I'd get EBC pads AND EBC rotors. EBC pads "like" to work with the EBC rotors. Dont ask why, I just heard few people commenting on this.
    Or you could try PAGID RS pads and DBA rotors. OR FERODO DS2000 (or 2500) and DBA rotors. Either of the above combinations is rated highly.
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    I have heard of compatabilty problems between EBC greenstuff pads, and DBA rotors.
    I think EAI have a new range of grooved discs for Pugs wink ..

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    I use EBC with DBA and have had no problems at all.
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    cool

    do you run grooved, drilled rotor parry?
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    Grooved DBAs with greenstuff
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    I have had EBC Greenstuff for 2 years on the front and they are at about 1/2 thickness now. I recently put Greenstuff on the rear. They cost me $170, though MUCH less dirt on the wheels but no difference in braking....naturally. More recently I got DBA slotted rotors for the front. Only now am I able to get stuck into them cause they are bedded in properly. They have HEAPS of bit cold and hot.

    I too have heard that EBC greenstuff dont go well with DBA slotted rotors dont go well with EBC green's though I have yet to prove that myself. I will see how thay last and possibly go to the Pagid ones.

    All I know is that when these puppy's are up to temp, they grip like hell and will not fade, though Queensland Raceway may still have to prove this.

    The DBA's are $130ea as opposed to $215ea for the EBC's. There should be nothing in their preformance.
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    $215 for EBC rotors, are they the slotted, and spotted ones? or just the standard ones?

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    EBC Trackday Groove Disc $214.50
    <a href="http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?ecomsvr=&category=1299&product=10036023 82" target="_blank">http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?ecomsvr=&category=1299&product=10036023 82</a>
    <img src="http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/shop/lo/888800092lo.jpg" alt=" - " />

    EBC Standard Brake Rotor $97.90ea
    <a href="http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?ecomsvr=&category=1299&product=10036019 07" target="_blank">http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?ecomsvr=&category=1299&product=10036019 07</a>
    <img src="http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/shop/lo/888800090lo.jpg" alt=" - " />

    DBA Longlife Slotted Rotor $137.21ea
    <a href="http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?ecomsvr=&category=897&product=100380098 7" target="_blank">http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?ecomsvr=&category=897&product=100380098 7</a>
    <img src="http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images//shop//tb/888800050tb.jpg" alt=" - " />

    <small>[ 11 August 2003, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: Brad ]</small>
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    as a stockist, we have to buy from the South Australian distributor. My buy price on those rotors is more than that???

    What the!
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    so wats the best way to go question question with rotors and pads
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    I guess you could try the EBC/EBC combo, but at almost $600 for fronts as opposed to $430 with the DBA/EBC combo it comes down to economics.

    I know the DBA's are a heavier rotor, look more solid through the middle. I compared them side by side to the EBC's Neil had under his house. As for performce, there wouldn't be anything in it between the two rotors.
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    Hi,

    First post

    Well, i'm getting new EBC front rotors and greenstuff pads this friday from Northshore Rallysport (Esscargo) for my 306 XSI 2000.

    Quoted price
    F Pads, p/n 21104 - $176.40 ea
    F Rotors, Turbo Grooved p/n TGD311 - $234.00 ea
    R Pads, p/n 2458/2 - $102.00 ea
    R Rotors, p/n DTG615 - $132.00 ea
    DOT4 Brake Fluid - $16.00
    Labour (2hrs) - $154.00

    Total $990.80

    OEM's pads lasted me 25000km on average.

    also, went to autobarn to get a quote, abit higher all round, but the staff there are in disbelief/shock/awe when i say they only last me 25k on the oem's
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    What pads are they? $176ea that's crazy! Oh yeah and I think your math is out a little wink

    DBA rotors are good enough for cars putting out 400hp so I think they'd be good enough for our n/a Pugs. I believe pads make more of a difference than brand of rotor. What other brand of pads are out there and what prices have people been quoted?

    Outta interested what size are the 306 front rotors? Are the GTi6 ones slightly larger?

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    That price teror is quoting is for 306's fitted with ATE brake callipers.

    If your 306 has Lucas callipers, they are generally 20-30% dearer for greenstuff pads.

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    My thoughts excactly on the DBA's, these are locally made and rate well, jsut don't have the international branding of the EBC's

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    Cant_get_enough_of_peugeots:
    That price teror is quoting is for 306's fitted with ATE brake callipers.

    If your 306 has Lucas callipers, they are generally 20-30% dearer for greenstuff pads.

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    yep, they are lucas callipers

    <small>[ 12 August 2003, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: teror ]</small>
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    Posted by Teror :
    yep, they are lucas callipers
    Do you have Lucas, or ATE calipers?

    Prt # 2458/2 are Rear pads to suit ATE calipers.
    Prt# 2680 are rear pads to suit Lucas calipers.

    better make sure you get supplied the right pads.

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    Ps The price you are beig quoted, is an excellent price.
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    Cant_get_enough_of_peugeots:
    Posted by Teror :
    yep, they are lucas callipers
    Do you have Lucas, or ATE calipers?

    Prt # 2458/2 are Rear pads to suit ATE calipers.
    Prt# 2680 are rear pads to suit Lucas calipers.

    better make sure you get supplied the right pads.

    Cheers
    Adrian

    Ps The price you are beig quoted, is an excellent price.
    he did not mention anything about the rear calipers, just the fronts, so i presumed the rears were also lucas (guess not), the fronts are definately lucas calipers on the car.

    the current brakes are giving me alot of vibration, the family is too afraid to be in the car with me, (no it's not my driving )

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    Are you sure the vibration is the brakes?

    Could be something amiss in the suspension...

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    I bought my 205 gear fro Star Performance in Five Dock. He is a drag racing specialist so does not keep stock for us frenchies. But he does bring them in for you and does not mark them up too much.

    I paid.

    127 for my EBC fronts
    99 for the rears
    and 270 for the front rotors.

    I cant find the receipt to confirm though.
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    Eastern Creek: 1:47 (16V) 2019
    Mt Huntley: 34.44 (2004 stock 205)
    Ringwood: 35.06 (30/10/2005)
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    thats where i will be going 2morro to get a few prices on edc stuff
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    Let us know how you go.

    Would be good if we could find some specialised places ie brake, suspension, mechanical, electrical where AF Member's can purchase this type of stuff at a decent discount. Then perhaps listed in a frequent questions/recommended supplier section (just a suggestion)

    Alternatively, we could try group buying?

    IE: Ray Hall Sunspension, etc, etc

    Oh yeah if you don't use the recommended supplier you will be shamed disappro hehehe

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