WARNING! 505/504/604 drivers
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    WARNING! 505/504/604 drivers

    I just saw this VERY disturbing post on the US Peugeotlist:

    --- In [email protected], "Pug NZ" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > IF YOU HAVE A 505 WITH STEERING PLAY, READ THIS EMAIL!
    >
    > Last vehicle inspection, there was play in the steering and the
    inspector
    > said to replace the outer tie rod end. This done, the car passed,
    but I was
    > still not happy with the play that was still there. Last week, I
    had a
    > chance to put the car over a pit and have a look underneath while
    someone
    > else wiggled the steering wheel. Once I saw the problem, I parked
    the car
    > and will not drive it above walking speed until it is fixed!
    >
    > The play was because the weld between the plate and the bottom of
    the
    > steering column was broken! On 504's the steering column has a
    spline and a
    > cast fitting is clamped on to it. On this car, a flat steel plate
    is simply
    > welded to the bottom of the column. The plate bolts to the rubber
    vibration
    > damper which bolts to the steering rack.
    >
    > Questions:
    > 1.Has anyone else had this happen to them? (my car has done 180,000
    miles)
    >
    > 2. Does anyone know if the 504 column and fitting can replace the
    welded one
    > ( I have the parts but haven't had a good look at them yet, just
    wondering
    > if anyone has done this before)
    >
    > 3. If this weld breaks completely (I think so far only one side
    has) does
    > that totally disconnect the steering wheel from the rack? (SCARY!)
    >
    > I will probably be able to answer 2 and 3 later on once I have
    pulled it
    > apart.
    >
    > All three 505's I just looked at have this kind of steering column,
    so if
    > you have a 505 that has steering play, have a good look at this
    joint!
    >
    > Regards,
    > Kevin

    I always thought this was a dodgy idea!

    I replaced the steering shaft on my 505 with the early 504 type when I converted it to manual steering. If you want to keep the power steering, you would probably have to use the equivalent early 604 shaft.

    I say early 504 and early 604, because sometime around 1978 or 1979 the 504 changed to a welded joint like the 505 and the 604 possibly may have also.

    I had the choice of using either the welded or the splined joint when I changed my shaft, and after reading that post, I'm glad I chose the splined version. One thing to note however is that the cast piece is sometimes badly dented from people bashing it on or off (it's a
    tight fit), so it's best to find a good one, because abused ones may crack.

    Dave

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    Yes, my '82 wagon has the welded joint... I'm not sure if the steering column I pulled out of the '80 model sedan has, but it's something I'll check. I think I also have the '79 wagon column here, so I can check that too.

    I don't recall having seen another one like it, so maybe I have one in stock for myself.

    Thanks Dave... It doesn't bear thinking about what could happen if the weld did let go.

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    Ray,

    79 models definitely have it. I'm just not sure whether late 78 models have it also.

    Dave
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    1984 205 GT twin carb
    1991 205 SI 1.6GTI motor
    1994 106 Xsi
    1996 Mondeo V6
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    Is the weld between the shaft and the plate? Do you know were the crack occured was it across the weld or though the steel next to it?

    Als

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    AlsPug504:
    Is the weld between the shaft and the plate? Do you know were the crack occured was it across the weld or though the steel next to it?

    Als
    I've no idea where the crack occured. I haven't had a reply to the message I sent Kevin.

    I've seen some pretty rough looking factory welds on those things, so I'm not surprised that they can break.

    Dave
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    1984 205 GT twin carb
    1991 205 SI 1.6GTI motor
    1994 106 Xsi
    1996 Mondeo V6
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    1955 203C
    1997 Civic Cxi (great allrounder- revy, flexible, nimble, comfortable , economical, simple and durable )

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    Had the rubber coupling completly fail when making a U turn on the way home from the Gold Coast.There are some after market types which when the rubber fails so does the steering as mine did. The replacement has an interlocking steel piece so you at least have some steering. We were lucky it failed where it did and not flying down the highway. Te fitting is splined so it shouldnt be welded. I fitted a secondhand coupling off a 504 to get home.

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    Jeffd:
    Had the rubber coupling completly fail when making a U turn on the way home from the Gold Coast.There are some after market types which when the rubber fails so does the steering as mine did. .
    You must have had one of the dodgy batch made in the 80s. They were really dumb. I don't know how they ever made it into production, unless they didn't have any engineers on the payroll at all.

    Dave
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    1976 504 Ti
    1984 205 GT twin carb
    1991 205 SI 1.6GTI motor
    1994 106 Xsi
    1996 Mondeo V6
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    1997 Civic Cxi (great allrounder- revy, flexible, nimble, comfortable , economical, simple and durable )

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