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    On my Injection 504 I currently have one of the standard oil bath air cleaners.
    I have been told from several sources that I would be better off changing this air cleaner for some other sort.
    Is this so ? if so any reccomendations ?

    Cheers

    Ben
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    I think the standard oil bath is fine, but if you want to change it then the only filters with superior flow and equivalent aircleaning ability would be a large K&N or good quality paper filter. You can get the air filter size calculation equations from my website (on the general mods info page).

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    This is one of the hoary old questions that arise quite often whenever Peugeots are talked about.

    Peugeot, against the modern trend, stuck with oil bath filters on cars where filtration matters most - injection cars - for much, much longer than anyone else.

    The "standard line" used to be that oil mesh cleaners were less efficient than paper ones. I even remember a "Choice" article back in the sixties singing the virtues of changing your old oily for one of the "modern" paper ones.

    But Peugeot have HUGE experience in the arid parts of the world. Watch any African or middle eastern doco and you will see a disproportionate number of Pugs. Peugeot have always done very well in such places because they know how to build cars for tough conditions. Cars for such areas always had the oil bath filter fitted instead of the paper ones.

    Peugeot air cleaners are NOT the same as the old Holden bits of foam with a dash of oil on top.

    It would have been much cheaper for them to fit paper filters when the 504 KF injection system was introduced. It would have been much cheaper for them to put paper filters in the 505 Ktronic sLi. It would have also increased their sales of replacements.

    Despite this they stuck with oil.

    I'd be inclined to think they did it for the right reasons.

    I've been driving Peugeots with oil bath cleaners since 1969 (and was driven around with them from the mid 50's), including stints of several years in some of the nastiest dust country on the globe - imagine what its like when you can't see Uluru (Ayers Rock) from ten metres away! I've never had an engine failure that I could attribute to air cleaner failure. I'd stick with the bath!

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    Rod,

    Have you ever noticed how the late model carby 504s and carby 505s (the ones without an oilbath) don't get anywhere near the engine life of the earlier carby cars which had an oilbath?

    500,000kms engine life seems to be easy to achieve with the oilbath models, however the foam or paper equiped models seem to wear quite a bit by the time they reach just 300,000km.

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    I guess I will stick with the oil bath !!!

    It did not really bother me, I was just going on what people told me !

    Cheers for the advice wink

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    davemcbean:
    Rod,

    Have you ever noticed how the late model carby 504s and carby 505s (the ones without an oilbath) don't get anywhere near the engine life of the earlier carby cars which had an oilbath?

    500,000kms engine life seems to be easy to achieve with the oilbath models, however the foam or paper equiped models seem to wear quite a bit by the time they reach just 300,000km.

    Dave
    Had an interesting conversation with the good folk at P504 motors in Forestville, Sydney, a few years back, in which they were extolling the virtues of the oil bath equipped XN6 engine, compared to some other 505 motors, in which the virtues of the oilbath filter featured prominently.

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