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    206 GTi 180 Review

    Hi everyone,

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    As promised, here's the review of the 206 GTi 180. I lopped some of the text in the right hand columns, sorry, but you should still be able to make it out.

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    Derek, I've got another review, out of the latest MOTOR mag which I've scanned in. However I've just realised I don't have webspace left, so if I email it to you, could you stick it up somewhere?
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    Nick,

    I've got a better solution for you.
    Check your e-mail

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    Thanks Derek

    It'll give me somewhere to put all my froggy stuff .
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    <img src="ftp://njm:[email protected]/froggy/206.jpg" alt=" - " />

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    That was the last straw for Motor. I'll be doing my utmost to never buy another copy again. I'll post a message with my email to them registering my digust at this shoddy attempt at journalism.
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    Yes, it was another case of comparing a new peugeot with the memories of the old ones, rather than comparing a new peugeot with its rivals.

    I'm looking forward to a comparison between the 206 GTi 180 and the RS Clio.

    Oh, and in my defence, my old man bought the mag not me .

    One thing, as I am yet to drive a 206 GTi 180 or read other reviews, it is possible they are right about the steering if it is similar to the setup on the 406 SV. From what I gather the engine-speed dependant steering isn't nearly as good as the normal road speed steering found on the 4cyl 406.
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    My issue is the bagging of Focus ST170 last month, for no apparent reason, except that they wanted more power, like the Civic Type R. The Pug review gets the same comment. Why mention a car that we don't get here??? mallet

    The Sun Herald today just illustrated again, as well as Wheels this month, that the ST170 is a sensational car. Sorry to harp on about a Ford, but I've driven this car and love it. It's the best thing I've driven since I gave up my GTi-6, and can not understand these journos who are so power mad that they can not see that the market might want for something else.

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    That review indicates that it has a really fantastic engine and quite amazing levels of grip/cornering abilities. All they are complaining about is that it lacks the same steering feel of the 306 and 'adjustability' of the tail, which while it sounds fun, probably slows you down in the twisties anyway.

    I am still trying to work out then, why they say it "barely qualifies as a hot hatch". What the f*ck are they on about .

    EDIT: I've just read that review Derek started this thread with again, and it sounds like the 206 is plenty twitchy enough. What do Motor expect? The same level of instability as an EA Falcon???? .

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    I think the subtitle comment is somewhat extreme and don't really agree with it. I suspect that by exaggerating certain claims (eg. the 206 is a "poor pastiche" of its predecessor), it's gone a little far.

    However, look beyond that.

    If you read the article, it doesn't seem that off the mark to me. I've read many reviews of the 206 GTi180, and if there are a few trends that I've noticed, they all seem to exhibit some sense of disappointment and all compare it to the 205 GTi. You can just sense it from what they write, they're not saying it's bad, just not as great as they'd hoped.

    Lets summarise the article.

    Bad Points

    * Crap plastic - we know the 206 isn't going to embarass Maybach drivers.

    * Poor driving position - again, the same. Lets be frank, the 206 has a seating position for someone who has short legs and long arms. It's the driving position that really is a pain, other's find the pedals a real pain, I can cope with it, it's the seat's relationship to the pedals and steering column that bugs me, especially when you're sitting in crappy XR seats, which are as supportive as a church pew.

    * Throttle response not as good as a 306 GTi-6

    * Turn in not as crisp as a 306 - less exciting

    * Steering not communicative enough

    * Adjustability is lost

    Good Points

    * Looks good - "subtle but effective"

    * Seats look & feel great

    * Engine fast enough to keep up with the Astra Turbo, more flexible than the Civic Type-R

    * Engine sounds nice, better than the standard 2.0 in the standard GTi

    * Good throttle response, if not as sharp as the 306 GTi6

    * Plentiful grip, body control is fine, secure handling

    So really, the review seems to say it just doesn't have the same raw fun edge of a 205 GTi or 306 GTi-6. That claim doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. Maybe it's true, I certainly haven't read anything that actually does say it's more fun than these two cars. Is this the different, more grown up fun of the 21st Century, and we better get used to it?

    I still haven't read a review that's given the impression that the 206 GTi180 has made the reviewer ranting and raving about how it's more fun than its predecessors. Sure they say it's good, but it just lacks that spark.

    Perhaps because of a few points of loaded language, that impression has outweighed the fact that the car itself is still good, even if it isn't as fun as its predecessors.

    It's all a matter of interpretation.

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    In the MOTOR article the writter states that peugeot will claim he mist the point, couldn't agree more. He should have added that the article was a subjective view, hence it fails as a hot hatch. More like a fast and precise 3 door.
    But it wont just peugeot who will be knocking him.
    I wonder how much this same spec car will land here for, when it does watch the price of the current 206Gti plumet.
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    The number everyone's talking about is $35,990.

    GTi is $29,990, so there's a $6,000 price gap (20% basically).

    Given that, I don't think you'll see too much movement in the standard GTi's price. How much of a premium can the 180 charge anyway?

    BTW - what kind of car review isn't subjective

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    Pug307:


    BTW - what kind of car review isn't subjective
    Exactly justin, exactly.... cheers Xq

    ps, thinking of trading the 307 in aye?lol tongue
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    I agree, the pedals of the 206 are too close together. When I first test drove it, this is the first and really only hangup I had. I am of course used to it now, but stills bothere me accosionally if I try to heel and toe the with the right foot :|

    I don't mind the seat itself in my XR, Atleast the steering wheel position is adjustable.

    I think it would be good to find a review of the 206 180 that compares it to some of the japansees hatches and the renault Clio etc.. That would be worth reading.
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    Actually,

    I'm crying out for a 206GTi vs Clio Sport comparo down here!

    Xq,

    Nah, the 307's staying It's behaving these days, although I'm wondering whether an extended warranty is a good investment.

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