Swapping a BA10/4 for a BA10/5
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    Swapping a BA10/4 for a BA10/5

    We are going to do a gearbox swap on my 504 this weekend....any problems we might come accros ?

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    Ben

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    Well after a 12hour day and MUCH swearing I now own a 504 TI with a 5 speed box

    YAY!!

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    Have you ditched the scary and dodgy long throw gearshifting mechanism yet?

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    I can only remember the NRMA inspectors face when he told me that I shouldn't buy my 505 as the 5th gear was shot he must have sat in the car for about 20mins trying to find it.

    The fact that I had told him that it was a 4spd didn't occur to him.

    So far the car has gone 5 to 4 to 3 and now when the money arrives back to 5.

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    Not as yet Dave, after putting in a 12hr day doing the job I decided enough was enough and that can be done another day !

    I think next time I do a gearbox change I will do it by pulling the engine out, we decided to try doing it by droping the diff down, sliding the torque tube and housing back, then droping the box, what a SOD of a job !!

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    But, I should add it's worth it the BA10/5 is a much nicer box then the BA10/4 that was in the car.....plus it revs a hell of a lot lower doing 110kmh out on the open road !

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    Pug_405_Mi16:

    I think next time I do a gearbox change I will do it by pulling the engine out, we decided to try doing it by droping the diff down, sliding the torque tube and housing back, then droping the box, what a SOD of a job !!
    Ben,

    Sorry, I should have warned you against that method. I've only tried it once (removing and replacing a 4 speed). I wouldn't even attempt it with the 5 speed unless I had one of those hoists that lifted the entire car, and I had a friend to help me lift the box.

    Removing the engine is dead easy, and makes gearbox changing a breeze. You can also use the engine hoist to hold up the front of the gearbox while your under the car matching the rear of the box up to the tailshaft. Last time I also had a floor jack under the centre of the box aswell. It was dead easy.

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    Thanks Dave I will do it that way next time

    But I have a couple of other small problems...

    The car seems to 'hop' when reversing up hills it is very very jerkey...any ideas?

    It also seems to be loosing a fair amount of oil out of the engine I have tightened the sump up, any other spots I should look at ?

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    i have always used the method of having threaded bar or long bolts on the engine cross member and drop the engine down around 2-3"
    i find this gives you plenty of room to get the box in and plenty od room to get to the top bolts on the box
    i also drop the diff down and use the car jack under sitting on would you believe a skate board so you can move the diff to and fro if you are on your own
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    pugrambo:
    i have always used the method of having threaded bar or long bolts on the engine cross member and drop the engine down around 2-3"
    i find this gives you plenty of room to get the box in and plenty od room to get to the top bolts on the box
    i also drop the diff down and use the car jack under sitting on would you believe a skate board so you can move the diff to and fro if you are on your own
    You still have to rest on your back and lift the gearbox up though. The BA7 4 speed is lighter than most other gearboxes though, but it's still a pain in the bum. I change gearboxes via removing the engine even on non-Peugeots. The fact that my father has a very good gantry mounted in his garage (and alot of practise) makes it possible for me to remove a 504 engine in under an hour. I can change a gearbox quicker this way than lying on my back under the car and getting a splitting headache.

    I can understand why they remove the gearboxes from under the car in workshops though, because they have a hoist which lifts the whole car so they can stand upright under it, and they usually have somebody with them to hold the gearbox at the crucial moment while they put the first couple of bolts in.

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    an update....

    It only hops in reverse when it's warm !

    Fine when cold !

    ???

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