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    Mark,

    In relation to uneven wear of your Pirellis: I would suggest that it has more to do with the inconsistent quality of the tyres than with alignment (going around left hand bends all day long would also produces a similar effect).

    Pirellis have a reputation for having "hit/miss quality tyres: Michelin tyres qulaity seems to depend on the country of origin. On the other hand, Yokohamas seem to be consistently good.

    Tyre dealers make a handsome income from unnecessary wheel alignments: Unless your car hits a gutter very hard (to the point of bending something)or someones fiddled with the steering rack (replacing a rubber boot, perhaps) then you should never need an alignment.


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    The 901's are very grippy, but seem to be wearing a lot more than the old P6000's did.

    I guess thats the compromise we make, grip for wear. frown

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    In the end I decided to stick with P6000s, mainly because it meant I only had to buy one new tyre and put on my unused spare.

    But I still wasn't too impressed that I had to replace a tyre that had done only 19000km!

    My alignment was slightly out, but not really enough to explain it.

    Tyre dealer reckoned it was normal because of our twisty and hilly roads here in Wellington, but I don't find that very convincing, because as I said in the earlier post, the Yokos on my 205 have worn evenly left to right, and the car's driven on the same roads!

    Incidentally, I did look into RE711s and several Bridgestone dealers told me they were available in 195/55/15 here in NZ, so I'm surprised you guys can't get them in Aus. They're hugely expensive here though, about NZ$360 each, compared to $288 for Pirellis and $238 for FM901s.

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    Time to dredge this one out of the woodwork again tongue

    I finally got around to buying some new tyres today for my GTi6; a somewhat unusual choice of BF Goodrich Profiler G's. I thought that they only made 4WD tyres; but apparently since being bought out from Michelin, they are starting to make some road car tyres using Michelin's European factories.

    Motor did a tyre test recently, and they came up #3 (beaten only by Pirelli P-Zeros and ContiSport Contact II's), and beat the Dunlop/Goodyear/Yokohama/Michelins, so they can't be at all bad! :p

    They're $179ea balanced and fitted, by the way.. most of the others mentioned were in the $190-200ea mark around here (oh and the Michelins for a lovely $260 each .. uh no thanks!)
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    I just got RE711's on the SP20 a couple of weeks ago and they are fantastic. Much more cornering ability than the Yoko Advan A460's that were on there from factory, and they only lasted 30,000kms.

    Haven't really driven the GTi6 much since we got the 901's on it. The g/f always hogs here car, and won't let me drive it. mallet

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    Rek - what are they like, what are they like!

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    ntrx -- dunno yet, it's booked in for tomorrow morning

    The only opportunity I'll have then is to see how it copes with the inner-city short cut "special stage" to get to the freeway entrance wink (think the Ronin chase through Nice, but without the crashing into fruit stalls etc. tongue )
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    ROFL,

    reading this tread is like a Tom Clancy book, just cannot goto sleep without finishing it.

    Previous owner has fitted Brigstone Grids2 to his/mine GTi306 after the original P6000 expired after 37,000 kms (his driving style?). Grids are very quiet, dont sqeal ( not for the lack of trying ) and seem very consistent through the corners. But will have to check the balance as the rattle sets in at 140km/h
    Yelo did u have to do on wheel balance? How much was it at Granville?

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    tekkie,

    From memory the on car balance was $10/wheel. I'll check that tonight when I get home.

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    Wow, I know I don't like my P6000s, but if G Grids are better than them I feel quietly confident I'll really, really enjoy my car on the next tyre change (imminent! I'm doing a superb job of wearing out these unwearable P6000s! )

    I'm currently tossing up the ups and downs of FM901s and Azenis/Yokohama semi slicks.

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    Tekkie - didn't mean to sound harsh on the G-Grids...

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    ntrx:

    I'm currently tossing up the ups and downs of FM901s and Azenis/Yokohama semi slicks.
    LAst Saturday, i was quoted $150 per FM901 195/60x15's. An excellent price! Are they worth it on a 505 GTi though? If nothing else, they are a very stylish tyre to look at
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    All of my friends and a whole lot of people on the net seem to rave about them!

    Apparently they're superb in the dry.

    I didn't know they were that affordable!

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    Adrian,

    Review my prior posts. The 195/55/15's that the GTi6's come with are more expensive than others because they are an odd size. I think you'll find that they will be approx $170-$180.

    I had the same problem with the SP20. 195/50/16's are an odd size too, so I went to 205/45/16, so I had more than the 3 tyres I could chose in the factory size. I ended up getting RE711's like Brendan, and they are awesome. Don't know whether the difference in tyre size had anything to do with it, but I was finding the Old Pac on Friday night a MUCH better place..... wink :p tongue head_ban

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    Hahah cool! Dig the smiley combo!

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    Time to dredge this one out of the woodwork again tongue

    I finally got around to buying some new tyres today for my GTi6; a somewhat unusual choice of BF Goodrich Profiler G's. I thought that they only made 4WD tyres; but apparently since being bought out from Michelin, they are starting to make some road car tyres using Michelin's European factories.

    Motor did a tyre test recently, and they came up #3 (beaten only by Pirelli P-Zeros and ContiSport Contact II's), and beat the Dunlop/Goodyear/Yokohama/Michelins, so they can't be at all bad! :p

    They're $179ea balanced and fitted, by the way.. most of the others mentioned were in the $190-200ea mark around here (oh and the Michelins for a lovely $260 each .. uh no thanks!)
    Sorry to pull this one out, but as I got some new pads ($135 this time for "genuine" not from Peugeot) this morning, turns out a I need some new tyres, the P6000s have gone down to their markers on the rears...is it just me or do the P6000s have a high marker in the grooves?

    Anyway, Michelin Australia aren't bringing in Michelin SX GTs anymore (can only get them in 195/50 and 185/55. Anyone running 50s on the GTI?). Can only get the SX and the Pilot Premacy neither of which are performance tyres.

    I'm considering the Yoko A539s (I've been using Yoko A509s/A520s on other cars and love 'em) and the Goodyear Revspec (which has only been out for 12 months or so).

    Rek, how were the Goodrich's? If they're made by Michelin, they just went up in my ratings...hehe.

    Any feelings on Continental? I'm doing some research today on it, will let u know how i go.

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    I've heard average reports from the A539, the consensus from a large group of enthusiasts is to go for the FM901s so it seems (although, I'm aware this is not the definitive statement of which tyres to buy).

    I'm keen on the Continental ContiSportContact 2 however I don't think it comes in our size.

    The top of the line Michelin Pilot Sport (whatever it's called) I believe comes in our size and it ranks very well.

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    When I was looking the Michelin's were well over $200 a tyre.

    For the money the 901's are better value IMHO.

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    The BF Goodrichs are pretty good; though I'm not really enough of a tyre connoisseur to be able to spot differences between different performance tyres.

    They don't "snap" out of traction when pushed (which was one quality I really wanted in a tyre ); the lift-off oversteer is nicely workable. They're quite good in the wet too.

    The tyre noise is only slightly more than the P6000, but you can only hear it when coasting to a stop at an intersection (the engine drowns out the noise when on the go)

    There isn't much info about on these tyres, but what is out there seems to indicate that it's a good tyre price vs. performance. They cost me $179 per tyre (incl fitting), which was about the same price here as the A539 and a bit cheaper than the Eagle F1 and FM901.

    Here's a bit of a summary; a lot of the hits on a google search are in European languages other than English..

    <a href="http://www.tyres-online.co.uk/tyretest/bfg.asp" target="_blank">http://www.tyres-online.co.uk/tyretest/bfg.asp</a>
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    Gee, I've been productive today, not!

    Here's what I've found...

    Pirelli P7 - Pirelli's latest top of the line tyre, which is about 14 months old. Dealers have had good reports about them, and regard them highly. Am yet to read much about them, but with the P7000s getting good reviews from the mags, I'd imagine the P7 would be up there. Hesitation is it's a very conservative looking tyre, even though it has Silica in it.. Price $200

    Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 - on the market for about a year, but a bit hard to track down in 195/55. Has recieved VERY good feedback overseas. Has a silica compound, looks alright, has a very firm sidewall. Price blew me away at $115

    Dunlop SP Sport 9000 - gets good reviews, better than the FM 901. However, no retailer has it for 195/55, even though it is on the Dunlop website. Can get it in a 205/50, which is why i'm curious if anyone has run 50s...

    Michelin SX GT - if can find some in old stock...but this would require me to get 4, and I only need 2 at the moment.

    Goodyear REVSPEC - top of the passenger car line at Goodyear, has silica compound, but can't find any reviews or information on it. It's only been on the market for 12 months. Cost $165

    Yoko 539 - again silica compound, and have a mate running them on a 206 GTI and loves them. I love the other Yokos, too, so tempting.. Price $155

    Rek, I know that website you referred me to, they don't appear to like anything that isn't huge and European. They like Avon ZZ1s for example, which didn't last 10K on my Dad's Subaru...buckled sidewalls...apparently a common problem with our crappy, potholed roads. Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

    I'm leaning towards the Kumho's actually. I know they're Korean, but the reviews at <a href="http://www.tirerack.com" target="_blank">Tire Rack (US Site)</a> are too compelling. Plus the price at $115 per tyre, I'm tempted to give them a go on the fronts and if I don't like them, oh well, I can move them to the back and try again...

    Any thoughts?

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    ntrx:
    I've heard average reports from the A539, the consensus from a large group of enthusiasts is to go for the FM901s so it seems (although, I'm aware this is not the definitive statement of which tyres to buy).

    I'm keen on the Continental ContiSportContact 2 however I don't think it comes in our size.

    The top of the line Michelin Pilot Sport (whatever it's called) I believe comes in our size and it ranks very well.
    My Dad's running the 539 on his liberty and they seem fine, certainly wearing well. The ZZ1s are still on the back, so throw the car out a bit, plus ZZ1s make a real racket. Initial turn is good, but generally a bit louder than the original Potenzas which didn't last longer than 25000kms.

    I've saw the Michelin price list today, and there are only 2 tyres in our size. The website is up to date when browsing for your car, but not when you browse the tyre catalogue. The tyres exist overseas, just not being brought into Oz.

    Haven't been able to get onto the Conti website all day. Last time I'm checked I don't think they came in a 195/55 R15..

    As for the 901s, as per my previous post, I'm a bit hesitant, with the bad reviews I've read overseas...perhaps we get a different tyre...but the reviews are REALLY bad...

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    Cue egg on face. Just pulled out the September 2001 Motor tyre test and the FM901 does quite well in there...damn yanks, making me all confused! hehe.

    The Goodrich's look good, although Motor comments that they have oversterring tendencies. Good to hear your feedback Rek, nice to know that it's progressive and not snappy.

    The Goodyear REVSPECs are also in that review, and get a decent review. The 2nd-7th placed tyres are all very close, and you need to really read that review to find the tyre that matches you...shame the Kumho 712s were just about to be launched as that article was put together. It's actually in the news at the back of the mag.

    If anyone wants a copy of the review, let me know. Otherwise is there enough of an interest for me to post it to the site?

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    That American review seems completely inconsistent to a lot of reports I've heard!

    I'd really like a review of the Kumho's compared to other tyres in Australia. They seem intriguing, especially at that price.

    Keep in mind, stuff like oversteery tendencies might only apply to the RWD Commodore in the Motor test. Different slip angles on different tyres fitted to completely different cars will have varying results!

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    Has anyone looked at the Falken Azenis SP115's. I am running these at the moment. Have done 23,000 in them, probably good for another few 1000, but I have done some very hard driving on these and they are extreamly predicatable and stick hard when heated. Absolutly silent too; you can hear the exhaust note when the engine idles with the clutch in at 100km/h eek!
    At $150ea fitted and balanced(195/50/15) they were a bargain too.

    Depending on their price now, I will be getting some more in a few weeks.
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    Looking at the test again, I think the Overall Performance chart is quite interesting - from there you can pick out any of the tyres tested based on what conditions you'd favour the car to perform best in.

    To summarise, it looks like the Michelin/BFG is the one to go for if you're after ultimate wet weather performance, with the BFG Profiler G being the one to choose for performance at a lesser cost. Whereas the FM901 looks like the goer for dry conditions and braking.

    Others ranked highly, like the Michelin Pilot Sport, for good alround performance.

    The Profiler and FM901 are ranked 4th and 2nd respectively in terms of value for money.

    I drive slow in wet conditions, so I think it's an obvious choice for me... but damn I'd rather the Continentals. Apparently their main feature is excellent recovery characteristics after a slide (sliding out of control is my nemesis!)

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