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    405 SRI versus 405 MI-16

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    Can the very helpful people on this board please help educate me as to the major differences between these two models?

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    Thanks, Pugrambo. Do you have any numbers (or a site where I could get them) on the horsepower differentials?

    As a matter of opinion, is the SRI worthy of purchase, or is the MI-16 the only way to go?

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    I am not 100% sure but I think there is about 20Kw dif between the 8 and 16valve

    I looked at an SRI before I got my MI16

    Get the MI16 they are a much more fun car to own !


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    basically the price diferrence is pretty big.
    8 valve is a good motor very torque, not very peaky like I've heard the 16 can be. The 8 valve would lend itself better to turboing I'd think, stronger valves, valve springs what not. Though I'd probably get an Mi16 if you could afford it. Mi16 mags are alright though I'd turf 'em for a set of 16 or 17's (not sure on what size is standard but would go plus 1 or 2). The SRi is a good car...matter of fact I prefered it to a '01 306 XT Sedan auto (SRi was manual). It was a great car, just started showing it's age.
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    122bhp versus 150bhp give or take with both, or 155bhp for a series 2 Mi16 (2.0 as in the 306 S16)
    the 8v is almost identical to a 205 GTi motor.

    not all mi16's have leather, abs or a sunroof though.
    and only some have headlight washers.
    was due to the fluctuating currency back then, to try and keep the price steady they gave you less/more options depending on the exchange rate.

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    Have owned both.
    1994 SRi (Auto) and now a SII 1993 Mi16.

    There points are extras that the Mi16 has over the SRi;

    Body;
    * Mi16 has Front/Rear/Side skirts + Boot lid spoiler
    * Headlamp washers (not standard on all Mi16's)
    * 15" mags vs 14" steel rims
    Interior;
    * Leather steering wheel
    * Oil temp guage
    * Rear headrests
    * Front centre arm rest
    * Front seats are heavily bolstered (bad for old people getting out!)
    Engine;
    * 112kW for Mi16. 1998cc has dual intake chambers to make to engine more drivable at lower revs.
    * Distributor-less ignition
    Ride / Suspension;
    * Lower ride height
    * Stiffer springs / anti-roll bars.
    * 'Feel the road' alot more. Less plush in other words.

    I am biased to the more sporty Mi16 but in any occasion you want to feel the horses, a policeman will be around the corner pointing a laser at you.
    Both have similar engine parts / accessories that will need replacing every now and then so there is no real price difference. Test drive both (including 1905cc Mi16) and see what you like better or suits you most. I luckily do not do a lot of city driving in the Mi16 as it would be less enjoyable I am sure. It is a great crusier and love the tight twisty roads.

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    Thanks, everyone. The information is very helpful.

    I think the biggest problem with the MI-16 is finding one that hasn't had the living daylights thrashed out of it during its lifetime.

    I don't suppose anyone knows if the Audi 80's from around 1990-91 are worth a look? With good 405's in such short supply, I have to have alternative purchase thoughts...

    Any idea how much to replace the MI-16 engine if I get a well-used one for a good price?

    Thanks again.

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    Audi 80s of that era are okay.... expect a very small boot

    The 1.8 and 2lts are fairly revvy willing engines and like the bodies and interiors, age quite well, unlike 405s which were poorly built by comparison (at least the earlier ones).

    A 405 IMHO is a better drive than an Audi 80, the audi's handling is nothing like as good as any of the 405 series, the 405s ride better too.

    In a straight line they are similar....the Audi is not as torquey.....but is smoother and more willing to rev.....the 405 a more "cruisy" drive.....an Mi16 will comfortably poop all over an 80

    Ever considered something a lil left of field?.....a late Citroen BX (16v yay! ) or even a Xantia (if the budget stretches) are v decent drives.....and can be picked up for reasonable prices, an acquired taste, but well worth a test drive.......
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    MI-16's with everything were called luxury packs and as when the luxury tax on imported cars came about in late 1989 early 1990 and any imported cars over i think $42000 were taxed so MI-16's after this date had varying degrees of options
    most series one models had full leather, tilt/slide glass sunroof with internal cover, ABS brakes, 14 alloy wheels.
    the series 2 had 15" alloys ,softer ride, slightly larger engine and optional extras at time of ordering were sunroof,leather and ABS and i think you could also have headlight washer like the STi's
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    There are a few Mi16bargains around.. saw one for about $10000 a year ago NICE. BUT. Guess what anyone under 29 will enjoy the price of insurance for one.

    Put it this way, It would be cheaper for me to comprehensively insure a SS V8 Commodore. Oh sorry, I have profained on the sacred site.. I metioned something else with a lion on it. oopss
    So instead I drive my 504 and remember its another day closer to paying off the mortgate.
    Then maybe I can get a hot machine.

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    Hi Skippy. 1st of all, you must buy an MI16. Forget that Audi idea. Boring. I am in a situation where I may need to sell mine. It is a 90 model in perfect condition. I don't want to sell it but I am thinking of moving to London in August. The main reason I don't want to sell it is because I have spent a lot of money and time getting it right and keeping it right. I didn't do this for someone else to enjoy. No offence. I don't know if you are in a hurry to buy one or not. I thought I would just mention it as I am in Brisbane. I will check back in a few days to see if you have responded. I will then list the full spec of the car.

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    Sorry, one more thing. I am 27 and I pay $560 a year full comprehensive insurance. I don't consider this expensive.
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    Hi Cal. I sent you an e-mail. Would love to hear all about the car.

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    Oh, another thing. When you get to London you will be happy/annoyed (depending on your outlook) to know that good 405 MI-16's of similar vintage regularly change hands in the UK for around GBP 1000 (about A$3000) or less.

    I'd be tempted to buy two or three of them...

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    Hasn't the Mi16 also got an 8 inlet port head?

    The Audi 80 was renowned for being a pretty ordinary (read boring) handler, I seem to remember, when it came out.

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    Skippy,
    I can assure you an Mi16 is less to ensure than a V8 Commodore. On the old NRMA scale, it was midway between the V6 and the V8.
    If your worried about an Mi16 getting a thrashing, forget it. They are conservatively redlined below their limit. I can't speak for the S2, but the S1 will run to 7100 all day, in every gear except 5th, where it pulls 6900. Perfect gearing. The 4x4 version has another 300rpm on top that! If well maintained, they are virually indestructable. Even the 2L touring cars ran 1905 engines for a long time. I'm not sure if they still do. A well kept S1 is quicker than the S2.

    The S1 came with 14" wheels initially, then 15" wheels later. Most of the 14" models were fully optioned, then import duty cut in. A fully optioned 14" S1 was approx. $50K. The later S1 15" models came without ABS and rear power windows in order to keep the price down, but could be optioned up. Naturally these are the most desireable 1905cc models. I had one of these in the early nineties and it was a very nice car.

    The body of S2 feels a lot "tighter" and the engine more flexible thanks to its 2 stage inlet manifold. However, this is also a major problem with them, along with the multiple ignition coils. My present car is a fully imported S1 and has the more powerful 160hp (120kW) engine. They have more power and torque everwhere compared to the 2L S2, when fed with 98 octane fuel. If you can find one of these, they're the most desirable of all. RH drive models were sold in UK and NZ.

    If you can find a low km 15" S1, great. But even one with 150K on the clock is still just run in.

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    Stuey,
    the 16 in Mi16 was all about the valves. The Mi16 engine has lots of other internal goodies as well, that the 8 valve engine doesn't have, like oil sprayers under the pistons. The other important feature compared to an SRI, is the close ratio gearbox, with a high first gear. This combined with the lower diff ratio, gave the S1 Mi16 perfect gearing. They mighten jump out of the hole fast (like a GTi) but once rolling are a joy to drive.

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    Cal: I'd be really interested in specs for your Pug. When I finish uni I intend on getting an Mi16 for my first car, Then modify it as much as my funding will allow (without going to the full quad throttle body setup). The major one I'm interested is any engine mods, lowering and what mags you're running.
    I recon a Mi16 running low profiles (like 30 series or something) would be cool, give it a great supertourer look.
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    Stuey,
    I think I misinterpreted your question. The Mi16 has 4 inlet ports and 8 exhaust ports, making after market exhausts rare. The std. exhaust manifold is an absolute work of art. There is a divider in the engine pipe below the manifold, creating further tuning. Some argue a new long primary length design is necessary for more hp, others argue the std. design is the best. I guess a look under a super tourer would reveal the answer.

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    Woah I thought Pugs were expensive in NZ compared to England but Australia is even worse! Here you could pick up a good one for under $10kNZ, around 6-7k. Even then it is INCREDIBLY expensive compared to England. And whatever you do DO NOT get the 2.0 Mi16s, they have the weighty iron block which blunts handling and performance. It makes no sense, Less power and more weight, yuck.

    Go for the 1905cc 160Hp version which weighs under 1200kg!! And it has the clean, first generation look, I can't stand the facelifted 405 look. The first gen was so nice!

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    [quote]Originally posted by PeterT:
    <strong>I guess a look under a super tourer would reveal the answer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    they ran a 4 into 2 exhaust and did not open up the exhaust ports to make it 4 ports.
    the 4 pipes are 2" and then the 2 pipes are 2.5", they meet under the car and go into a 3" pipe.
    well that's what one of them used to run, the actual peugeot sport ones might've been different.
    i've been told peugeot sport designed over 10 different systems because it was so hard to get more power out of them.

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    Peter - Aha - I thought I'd read about the eight ports, just couldn't remember which side !

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    Skippy, I sent you an email. I trust it finds you well.

    Pupat, The car is pretty much standard with a fully rebuilt and blueprinted engine. 2 1/2 inch exhaust and a K&N filter. Send me an email if you like. Just remember, it is not definite that I will sell this car.
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    Don't get me wrong, but what were the major asthetic changes between S1 & S2??? Bar the tail lights and lower boot lip, the exterior is identical. Interior has newer plastics (albeit a bit 'dark') and a more intergrated feel. The quality of the plastics of a S1 were still in 205 days and I can remeber only too well how brittle that was........ The Harbour Bridge expansion gaps made the dash almost jump out the window....Not a good thing!

    I can remember the press release that PUG gave around 93/94 stating over 1000 new changes to the 405 S2 and most were in the stiffened chassis / revised suspension settings. Sure the iron block is heavier but most of the metal 'bolt ons' to the engine were removed for high strength plastics thus negating the 'porking up' of the block.

    My rego slip shows a TARE weight of 1203kg but have not owned a S1 to compare, I am not sure of their weight.

    In comparison, I am sure they are pretty close to the each other for AUST spec Mi16's. Thanks to the wonderful ADR's, it seems to kill engine power....Louis, if you lined up a S1 Aust spec and a S1 UK/NZ spec, what could we change to get the extra horses???? Would it be as simple as a re-map of the ECU? Many mates of mine have picked up their new CBR's/R1s etc and hooked up a PC program that completly changes the injection/ignition firing and gives it another 10kW etc.

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, would love to know!

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