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    505 diesel?

    It appears at the moment that no one is selling manual trans 504s or 505s in Melbourne except a couple of 505 diesels.

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    I really want to get a manual Pug, but really don't know anything about diesel cars. Also, it seems in 1982 there was a straight diesel 2.3 and a turbo diesel 2.3? Both with pretty poor power output

    Should I hold out for a Petrol manual or would a diesel be worth a look?

    One off topic question though, whats the general feeling about Renault Fuegos? I am determined to get a Frog, but am finding it hard locating manual trans. Pugs under $4000. There are plenty of Fuegos in my price range. I haven't looked at any yet, just wondering what the general opinion of them was.

    Thanks everyone!
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    I live in the US and have an '82 505 sedan with the XD2S 2.3 liter TD (80bhp), and an '84 505 STI sedan with the XN6 2.0 liter (97bhp).

    Generally, they perform almost identical when in stock form. The TD has so much low RPM torque that it actually feels easier to drive around town sometimes. The XN6 is more fun to drive because it is much quieter, is more responsive, and it revs higher.

    It just depends on your preference. Both engines require a good valve adjustment and tune up to perform at their maximum potential.

    If you want performance, stay away from the non-turbo diesel (XD2). That engine is a good choice for fuel economy and simplicity.


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    You could try to see if the 95 HP and 110 HP versions of the 2498 cc turbo diesel were imported to Australia.

    The latter model in particular (called GTDT in France) was quite spirited for a Diesel, topping out (officially) at 178 km/h and needing 34.5 seconds in the standing start 1 km. That makes it about as fast as the latter-day 108 HP carbureted 1971 cc and early 1995 cc injected [TI-STI] cars, quite respectable for an oil burner...

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    There are one of each in the family..

    505 Diesel Turbo, lovely car but #@$%% slow.
    Very comfortable, cheap on Diesel. Post 1985 are fully imported and have better rust protection and electrics. Early ones are mostly all rusty now. But a very reliable car.
    asking bigger dollars up here is brisvegas. some good condition country cars around. Room for the family.

    Fuego 84 is great fun. quite a quick coupe for 80's. If you like to drive then this is the car. Front wheel drive handling but.
    Stuck with expensive TRX tires for original rims.
    So you are looking at $$$ to put on alternative rims.
    Electrics were notably a problem on early ones.
    So take it for a drive and see if everything works.
    Rust around windscreen and back tailgate is common. Avoid it.
    Good buying I think, heaps of cheap versions around for parts. Buy post 85 model that had brake improvements and power steering.

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    Nick,

    I found at least 3 petrol 505's in the Vic trading post.
    I have owned a 505 SRD Turbo and I can say that I would rather an Automatic petrol 505 then a manual Diesel, a mate of mine had an auto GTI at the time and it was a much nicer car ! maybe it's an option.

    Or can someone correct me but I heard that a member of the PCCV has a 505 for sale with a Ti motor in it ? That I think would be a nice car (well I will know in a few weeks when I get the engine in mine !)

    Anyhow thats just my 2c worth !

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    Thanks Ben,

    I have to get a manual car - this will be my first car, and I'm determined to get a manual. For quite a while there was a 505 with a 504ti engine advertised, but I never got round to checking it out. There is only 1 petrol manual 505 for sale in the Vic Trading Post, and that is going for $1000, "straight body".

    I'll keep looking,

    thanks
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    An early petrol car would be OK *a GR I would say* as you can then hunt down a BA10/5 *which I now have 2 of here* and convert it.

    I have done one and been involved in 2 others, not a really hard job !

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    And ontop of that I would ring the guy with the $1000 car, it could be a BARGAIN!!!!

    You never know unless you call and go take a look at the car !


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    There are some Nissan mags that'll bolt onto Fuegos. Saw one down at Ormiston train station with 'em looked nice, got rid of that bad case of 80's mag look of the Fuego (actually all 80's cars now I think of it).
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    Do u have to get a 505 ? maybe a 205, 504, 405

    OR you could be awsome like me and get a 604 !!

    I LOVE 604


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    I don't need to get a 505, I like all Pugs approve

    I suppose they seemed the best bet for under $4000. I'm not sure if there would be any decent 405s or 205s for that much.
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    Nick,

    northern victoria and southern NSW are good places to look for a cheap rust free Pug. There's a 505 for sale at Wagga in the trading post at the moment:

    Peugeot 505 1980, 5 speed manual, 7 months rego, $1200, KWQ-810 WAGGA 02-6971 2914

    Also, regarding Fuego wheels: Holden Camira wheels fit. In Sydney alot of Fuegos now use Camira wheels.

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    hmmmm

    4k will get you a great 504 or even 404 if you can find one.....

    Not sure about finding a decent 604 at any price....haven't seen a "good" one in many years....v6 fuel economy will be fair bit worse than the 4s and stock they are all auto here...

    Series 1 205gtis.....the cheapest i've seen are around $5000....and are very very well used....lol check under those seat covers....and make sure that dash isn't held together with blu-tac

    If you're after a first car....from a driving/dynamic perspective i'd probably still recommend buying even the rattiest 205 (within reason) over a "fair" 505.......

    Go out and drive all these cars before deciding which you want.....they are all quite different to each other

    As for feugos....they are a large, comfortable, brisk, touring (countryside not racetrack ) kinda car, that age poorly with neglect, which most have experienced.

    Feugos have zero resale value these days and I would suggest that it's likely that a fuego would spend more time (and likely costing you more) in the workshop than the Peugeots mentioned, only due to their average condition.

    I'd probably consider R25s or 20s before a Fuego although all 3 are very similar cars mechanically, the 20/25s do seem to age a lot better, they didn't have plastics and fabrics that were quite as fragile (in our sun) and haven't been driven/treated like a sports car as the fuegos usually have.

    Of course, i'd recommend a really good 16TS/TX over all of them......heheh.....now there was a real renault wink

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    I'd hang out for a petrol Peugeot (504 or 505) Nick, especially as a first car. Good diesels tend to be dearer and bad diesels are a pain in the proverbial. Old diesels can cost a lot to keep on the road if things go wrong too.

    The later Fuego's were very good cars but be wary of the earlier ones.

    I'd personally be pretty wary of cheap 205's too. Many of them have been thrashed and , as a first car, they are nothing like as safe as a 505.

    505's seem to come and go in patches in Melbourne. There does seem to be a bit of a drought right at the moment, but it could well all change in a week or two. As Dave says, southern NSW and northern Victoria (and Canberra) are good areas to keep an eye on too. Bendigo and ballarat produce some very good examples (usually rust free and with "country miles" on the clock, rather than a city bump and grind heritage)

    I'd stick with the manual too. I know too many people who decided to start off with an auto with a view to changing later but then never learned to use a clutch. It limits driving choice and enjoyment greatly later on.

    Don't forget 504's though. There are some great 504's out there . If you can find one still in good nick its well worth a look.

    I notice there is a 7 seater 404 wagon in the Age today. Especially If this is one of the very late, direct import, ones with an 1800 motor it would be worth seeing too. The dynamics of the wagons aren't as good as the sedans, but they make up for it in other ways - its hard to find a better camping / touring vehicle if you like that sort of thing.

    Good luck . Sounds to me as if you are heading down the right track.

    Cheers

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    DTwo:

    I'd probably consider R25s or 20s before a Fuego although all 3 are very similar cars mechanically, the 20/25s do seem to age a lot better, they didn't have plastics and fabrics that were quite as fragile (in our sun)
    Yeah, early 1980s French plastics are very fragile, and Fuegos are definitely the worst for this. Fuego speedo needles often warp in the sun (unheard of in other cars). Goodwin's garage in Cessnock have replaced some of their customers Fuego speedo needles with needles from VL Commodores.

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