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    Is this true-Kia?

    Kia World History Timeline
    1944 December Company founded.
    1945 September Bicycle parts production started.
    1952 March First domestic bicycle (Samcholli-Ho) built.
    1960 Labor Union organised.
    1961 October First C-100 motorcycle produced.
    1962 January K-360 (3-wheel cargo truck) introduced.
    1971 April Kia Service Corp. established.
    1971 September 4 wheel cargo truck (Titan, Boxer) produced.
    1973 Production of gasoline engine started for the first time in Korea.
    1974 October Brisa is the first compact passenger car produced in Korea.
    1975 Export of B-100 (Brisa pick-up) started.
    1976 Production of K-303 passenger car started.
    1976 March Kia Machine Tool Co. Ltd. established.
    1976 August Asia Motors Co. taken over.
    1978 November Kia’s first domestic diesel engine developed.
    1979 February Peugeot 604 production starts.
    1979 April Assembly of Fiat 132 sedan starts
    1980 September 1-ton Bongo truck produced.
    1981 August Bongo Coach, a small-size bus produced.
    1981 December Ceres, multipurpose farm truck developed.
    1984 October Kia R & D center completed.
    1985 January "Tower Prize for the Promotion of Precision Industry" awarded for three consecutive years.
    1986 March Besta, a small bus, produced.
    1986 April Kia basketball team organised.
    1986 June Kia Steel Co. Ltd. taken over.
    1986 July Equity partnership with Ford of the USA.
    Production of Kia Pride (Ford Festiva) started.
    Development of Korea's first electric vehicle completed.
    1987 October 2.0 litre Kia Concord, mid-size passenger car launched.
    Development of EGi engine completed.
    1988 July Rhino and Trade cargo trucks are introduced.
    1988 September Cumulative production of one million units achieved.
    Kia’s first short stroke engine developed.
    1989 February Capital, mid-size passenger car, is launched.
    1989 July Kia Tokyo Research Center is opened.
    1989 November Kia Economic Research Institute established.
    1990 March Name is changed to Kia Motors Corp.
    1990 November Construction of Asan Bay plant completed
    Korea's first 1.5 DOHC engine developed.
    1991 October Methanol car developed
    The Sephia and Sportage unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show.
    1992 April Kia Japan Co. established
    1992 May Potentia, luxury sedan, introduced.
    1992 September Sephia, compact sedan, launched.
    JS diesel engine developed.
    1992 October Kia Motors America Inc. established.
    1993 Sephia introduced to European market
    1993 July Production of Sportage, sports utility vehicle begun.
    Kia Motors pavilion opened at Taejon Expo '93.
    The 10th consecutive championship victory in the lathe category at the International Skill Olympics.
    1993 September Cumulative production passes the three million mark.
    Production of the Aspire, a compact passenger car, begun.
    1993 November Asan Bay general proving ground completed.
    1994 January Production of Avella (Ford Aspire) started.
    1994 March Kia Auto Finance established
    1994 April Signed an agreement with Karmann GmbH for the assembly of the Sportage in Germany.
    1994 May 50 years of Kia Motors
    1994 November MOST, Motor Systems & Technology Co. Ltd, a joint venture with Bosch, founded.
    1995 May Kia Motors Europe GmbH established.
    Cumulative exports pass the one million mark.
    Karmann production of the Sportage begin
    1995 June Production of Credos/Clarus mid sized sedan started.
    Kia Tokyo R&D Center completed.
    1995 Avella/Delta, compact sedan produced.
    1995 November Kia-Ford Credit Finance Co. established.
    Production of Pregio, small sized bus, started.
    The 2nd Asan Bay plant completed.
    Cumulative exports to the US pass the half million mark.
    1996 January Sportage Grand, Long Body SUV, produced
    Pride Wagon, Compact Sized Wagon, produced.
    1996 February Kia chosen as the joint partner of Indonesia's National Car Development
    1996 July Timor, Indonesia's National Car developed by Kia, launched in local market.
    Elan, sports roadster, produced.
    1996 August High tech automatic gear box developed.
    1997 Kia Motor Sales Established. Enterprise luxury sedan launched.
    Frontier light truck launched.
    Nine new vehicles simultaneously launched.
    Sephia wins rallies in China, Australia.
    1998 October Hyundai Motor merger with Kia/Asia Motors
    1998 December Kia and Hyundai merger finalised
    1999 September Carnival, Carens and Joice launched at the Frankfurt Motor Show
    1999 November Rio launched in Korea
    2000 March Ateco Automotive takes over Australian distribution
    2000 November Kia Optima, a new V6 powered sedan, launched at the Sydney International Motor Show
    I never knew Peugeot had anything to do with Kia? eek!

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    Were they building it under licence for the Asian market? I know that someone was still making 505 copies in China until quite recently.
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    "All of its cars from the 1.1 litre 205 through the ugly duckling 309 to the 2.2 litre 505 GTi had a rightness and a righteousness about them that turned every humdrum drive into a journey. Someone, I once wrote, in the bowels of Peugeot understands handling and how a chassis should feel." - Jeremy Clarkson

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    Don't see any reason for Kia to lie about it

    Could understand why Peugeot would keep mum about it

    Maybe that's why the 604s were never quite paragons of reliability

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    Just out of curiousity.....what on earth led you to that?

    -Daniel! Are you looking up Saab/Kia/Moskovitch on the internet again??
    -No!! It was only hardcore porn!! REally!!
    roll_lau roll_lau roll_lau

    More seriously.... Wonder if they have been manufactured there or simply assembled as CKD's? Who knows- South Korea might prove to be a treasure trove of 604 parts. Interesting.
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    Yeah i thought it was interesting too....but weird..

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    It's not that surprising. They were still building 309's in India when I vistited there in '99.

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    There is a company in Iran that is building Pugs for the local market, including a 405 with a longitudinally mounted 1.6 litre engine driving the rear wheels. They also make Hillman Hunters.
    There is a company in India that is making a slightly modified Morris Oxford with an Izusu diesel, and a 1972 Vauxhall.
    You can buy a brand new Royal Enfield motorbike in India, and we must not forget the Mahindra, powered by a Peugeot diesel, and otherwise a carbon copy of an early military Jeep.
    The Standard Car Company of India was making Rover SD1s fitted with the old Standard Vanguard/ Fergie tractor engines in the '80s, and a 4 door Triumph Herald with a pre war sidevalve engine in the '60s.
    Pugs Rule!

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    Pugnut403:
    There is a company in Iran that is building Pugs for the local market, including a 405 with a longitudinally mounted 1.6 litre engine driving the rear wheels.
    Oh, so there's a 405 which might be worth driving after all?
    Current: 406 Coupe, 504 Sedan

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    Here is a picture of the Peugeot Pars, made by Iran Khodro, and it looks like it is based on a 405. The engine is a XU7 <img src="http://www.ikco.com/products/images/persiapersia.jpg" alt=" - " />
    Here is a link to the website of Iran Khodro and the page for the Peugeot RD, which stands for "rear drive". <a href="http://www.ikco.com/products/rd.htm" target="_blank">Peugeot RD</a>
    Iran Khodro bought the tooling for the Hilman Hunter, and shipped it to Iran, and they are still making them. The Peugeot RD seems to have a 405 body with the running gear of the Hilman Hunter. I seriously doubt if you would like it.
    <a href="http://www.autopolis.com/timeout/Ikco.htm" target="_blank">Good Iran Khodro article</a>
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    I'm with aquinian on this...

    Let's not forget that there was a Hillman connection in Africa somewhere... Hillman engines in 404s or 504s, don't remember exactly what.

    It might have been a conversion done to save money on rebuilt engines, but I can't see that being all that correct.

    Years ago the Kiwis bought bulk supplies of Cortina engines from Australia for rebuilding... to go into Hillmans that didn't rust as much as Cortinas but cost a packet for engine rebuilds.

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    I could be way off beam here, but I thought the African connection was the other way around ie Peugeot engines in Hillman bodyshells. There was an ex-Africa white Hillman wagon turned up at one of the french GD days in Brisbane years ago and I thought that was the explanation behind it.
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    Sounds more logical to me too...

    An interesting conversion, I must say. They must have stuck second hand Pug engines in when the pommie iron got tired.

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    Nothing wrong with Hilman engines, they are just not as good as Pug ones. I do all of the maintenance for a Humber Vogue owned by a friend of mine, and it is on the whole very reliable, farly economical, and quite nice to drive (if it was a manual it would be better though ) , but it does not come up to the standards of a 403/404. The owner of it, upon looking at and sitting in my 404, remarked on how it was one of the most comfortable cars he had ever been in.
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    The Pug engine in a Hillman thing may have been an assembly plant matter. My (pre-PSA) Citroen was built by "Peugeot Citroen South Africa", so it similarly may have been an assembly line rationalisation to motor them this way??
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    Wonder if the quality is OK. The 206's made in Iran?? Where are the 206's we get locally made??
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    Standard hatches are from Ryton, UK (BTW, before you get any prejudices against Iran, the UK plant was rated as the worst quality 206 plant by Peugeot).

    CCs are from France.

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    Pugnut403:
    I seriously doubt if you would like it.
    I'm seriously anti front drive cars.

    My sister had a 306 - absolutely gorgeous to drive, but I'm entirely certain that if you added some real horsepower to it then it would end up with drastic torque steer and drive like most other front drive cars. Even Peugeot, despite their genius with suspension, cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. The logic is inescapable - one set of wheels for steering, and one for driving, or both sets driving. But doing it all with only one set is simply crazy - the two functions tend to work against the efficiency of each other.

    Now, a rear-drive 405 body could have a 504/505 front and rear suspension grafted in, and a decent donk added, and you'd end up with a marvellous car.

    Just my 2c.

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    aquinian:
    Pugnut403:
    I seriously doubt if you would like it.
    I'm seriously anti front drive cars.
    Now you've done it...

    Prepare to face the wrath of Justin, defender of front-wheel-drive! eek! eek!

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    I'm not the only one.

    Believe me, there are plenty of FWD fans here. Peugeots rarely have that much power, so torque steer isn't an issue.

    When it comes to the handling stakes, I'll be frank - none of the RWD Peugeots I've driven have handled as well as the FWD ones I've driven. They just lack something, which the FWDs have. Sure FWD doesn't sound as good as RWD, but who cares - it works in practise in the good cars.

    I think it's time for Ray to chime in now

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    I don't have much experience with FWD cars, as the only 2 I have driven were the 121 Bubble I got my licence in, and an '85 Laser I borrowed overnight once. I only drove the Mazda in the city, and I only did about 20km in the Ford(Mazda) at night, so I can't comment on handling. The Laser's electrics did completely die on me though .
    My father had a Renault 16 when I was a kid, and he reckons it was one of the best cars he ever drove. Also, don't forget the Mini Cooper S which beat everything else to win at Bathurst.

    I reckon a 405 RD with a Mi16 engine, BA 10/5, and 505 IRS would be fantastic.
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