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    Default 206 Gti 180 Operating temperature

    Have noticed a difference in coolant temperature when aircon/climate control is off under normal driving conditions

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    45 min city drive

    Climate control on

    Oil: 90-95 degree's
    Coolant: 90-95 degree's

    Climate control off

    Oil: 90-95 degrees
    Coolant 100-105 degrees (next notch after 90)

    Was wondering if this is normal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackster
    Have noticed a difference in coolant temperature when aircon/climate control is off under normal driving conditions

    45 min city drive

    Climate control on

    Oil: 90-95 degree's
    Coolant: 90-95 degree's

    Climate control off

    Oil: 90-95 degrees
    Coolant 100-105 degrees (next notch after 90)

    Was wondering if this is normal?
    yeah thats pretty much the norm for me. just wait to see the temps when you start to explor the limits

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRD180
    yeah thats pretty much the norm for me. just wait to see the temps when you start to explor the limits
    So with aircon off, coolant temperature should be higher?

    I guess with all the cars ive owned apart from this, ive never had any run 100 degree coolant temperatures with aircon off under normal driving conditions.
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    I believe, with the air con on it runs another fan which helps cool down the car.

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    Honestly dont look at coolant.

    Oil,90 "normal" driving.Highway,5 am in the morning going to work,less than 10 minute trip,100-105,but this is at 130 kmh+(sustained 3500-4000 rpm).

    Dump the oil and filter every 5k so i hope it evens out,looking for a WELL engineered induction system to try to lower intake temps,variable flaps withstanding,i cant see how close to 2 metres of hot plastic intake piping would be superior to a big pod on 30 or 40 centimters of pipe sucking cold air.2 or 3 degrees hotter intake temp makes a huge difference in power.

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    So don't turn the climate control off.

    I know at least one person was waiting for me to say this
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC206
    So don't turn the climate control off.

    I know at least one person was waiting for me to say this
    I agree... I rarely if ever turn the climate control off.

    I did experiment with it when there was a thread about hot air venting in with it off, but other than that it's almost permanently on even when the windows are down!

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    Sorry, im not convinced that a coolant temperature of 100-105 degree's under normal driving conditions just because climate control is off is normal. As this is higher then boiling point for a soluble liquid.

    Leaving climate control on just to keep coolant temp in the 90's isnt really a proper fix. I do like driving with climate control off at times, at the same time i dont want to damage the car in anyway if 100-105 coolant temp isnt normal.

    I wonder if there is anything that can be done to the computers software. I guess i will bring that up with the service guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackster
    Sorry, im not convinced that a coolant temperature of 100-105 degree's under normal driving conditions just because climate control is off is normal. As this is higher then boiling point for a soluble liquid.
    Ok Blackster,

    There is a reason your vehicles cooling system is pressurised. That's so it can operate at temperatures above 100 degrees c without boiling the fluid. Remember when you take the radiator cap off when it is hot (definately NOT recommended) the fluid rushes out under pressure and boils. The bleeding the screeming the running and the pain.

    My next point to you is:- If PSA were to remove the numbers from your water temperature guage would the temperature variations concern you.You wouldn't know that is was going above 100 degrees. Lots of Japanese cars have no figures only markings. Previous Toyotas and Subaru's of mine water temps rise to the halfway point and then stay firmly planted there under all conditions. Resistors and capacitors no doubt smooth the figure out.. It just happens that the Froggies put figures in and the guage actually does move according to conditions. Most car handbooks will state that all is ok as long as the temperature does not venture into the red zone.

    Hope this helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by XM Mechanic
    Lots of Japanese cars have no figures only markings. Previous Toyotas and Subaru's of mine water temps rise to the halfway point and then stay firmly planted there under all conditions.
    I guess that my point, ive had both jap and european cars in the past and never seem to go past the halfway mark 90 degree's. Yet the the pug sits anywhere between 100-105 degrees with climate control off and 90 -95 degrees with climate control on.

    Are these normal temperatures or a factory fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackster
    I guess that my point, ive had both jap and european cars in the past and never seem to go past the halfway mark 90 degree's. Yet the the pug sits anywhere between 100-105 degrees with climate control off and 90 -95 degrees with climate control on.

    Are these normal temperatures or a factory fault.
    Perhaps Japanese cars have a higher threshold for their gauges... my Ford doesn't budge of normal... ever. The gauges aren't the most accurate thing in new cars.... that's all I can really think of...

    I managed to stabilise the temps in the GTi6 by ensuring I was using a top quality coolant and moved to full synthetics. But in traffic it would still go up, but just not as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI124
    I believe, with the air con on it runs another fan which helps cool down the car.
    Not another fan (there is only one), but it does run the fan not only more often, but also faster .. hence the extra cooling effect. Over heating was one of Peugeots early problems in testing and partly responsible for it's delay to market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackster
    Are these normal temperatures or a factory fault.
    These are normal temperatures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    Over heating was one of Peugeots early problems in testing and partly responsible for it's delay to market.

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    Are you talking about modern Peugeots or very early model Peugeots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jester_fu
    As for the comaprison to Jap cars... forget it, majority of them lack an OIL temperature gauge. It's far more useful than a water temp gauge or oil pressure gauge, as it gives you an idea of how hard the engine is working and how effectively the oil is removing heat from the internals.
    Which model Peugeots have oil temp indicators? I have only ever seen them in the 206 Gti.
    Peugeot in particular use oil as a major cooling componenet, with (for e.g.) oil spray jets in the cylinders to increase lubrication and cooling.
    Isn't this a common thing in most modern engines? I don't believe it is confined to just Peugeots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XM Mechanic
    Are you talking about modern Peugeots or very early model Peugeots?
    I'm talking the GTi180 only as that's what Blackster was asking about ... in hot weather testing, the 180's were cooking engines, hence the oil spray feature under the pistons. Even now they are still on the warm side compared to other cars ...

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    This is a normal running temp for coolant.

    Yes, water will boil at 100 Degrees C. But water under presure will boil at a slightly higher temperature. And water mixed with some coolant under pressure will boil at even higher temps.

    If the needle isn't near the red bar, don't worry about it.

    My old Nissan Patrol (and they do this on some new ones too) had a stop in the temp gauge that stopped the needle from travelling further then half way. I took that out and found that my temps only ever went higher when I was giving it sticp, up a hill. It was diesel, so they running hotter when full throttle and cooler at idle. Whereas petrol engine sitting at idle overheat and need to be cooled, but once running at speed are fine.

    Your temps are normal.

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