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    505 Turbo Danielson

    We finally got around to finishing the Danielson project car (for the second time). As you may recall, the bottom end of the engine (original--not modified) gave out after only several hours of use with the Danielson head kit.

    The problem was the rod bearing on cyl 3. The bearing had somehow fallen apart, probably from the bath of oil and coolant that it had been sitting in for 8 months. This car originally had a cracked head and blown head gasket, and was left to sit for a long time before being revived.

    We used the good short block from my '88 Turbo parts car and mated it to the Danielson stuff. We still have some bugs to work out--the alternator is failing, and the ABS pump makes this horrible racket.

    Last night it was only about 48 degrees F, but the car still hauled ass. The sensation was similar to being rear-ended by another fast moving car.

    The idle is the best part... the cam apparently has a fairly wild profile. When idling at factory spec 900 RPM, the exhaust (which has no muffler) has a very lopey, throaty sound which is just perfect for this car. You can hear the turbocharger whistling slightly from the exhaust tip. The car itself looks so innocent--its a dark gray 505 sedan with stock bodywork (front air dam, rear lip spoiler, wheels, etc.).

    We plan to run about 17 psi of boost (stock is 11.5). Injectors are already upgraded and ready for the task. One limiting factor for boost is turbocharger durability. We are still using the stock Garrett TB0346 and I don't think this unit can provide much more than 20 psi at high RPM on a stock motor... 17 psi (about 1.15 bar) is similar to other Danielson production cars and it sounds like a good safe number anyway. Someday the car may recieve a modified hybrid unit of some sort. No one makes turbo kits for these cars... go figure

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    -Joe

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    Joe,

    A garrett t3-t4 hybrid turbo will work great in a highly boosted 2.2L.
    The above turbo will provide around 300hp+ and if the homework was done like matching the exhaust turbine housing and wheel trims you will no get big lag.
    The turbo downpipe on the 505 has a lot of restriction in it so a custom downpipe will help in freeing up power & responce.
    The down pipe is just a mass produced cast pipe.
    I myself have been test driving some 505's but have not had a drive in a 505 gti yet.
    As like ray mentioned they r getting very affordable and r a lot of car for the money.
    I am currently working on a turbo kit for the 205 gti and have had a turbo car with over 450hp.(have been into turbo for 15 years)
    Goodluck with the 505

    Murat

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    Originally posted by XN6guy:
    <STRONG>We finally got around to finishing the Danielson project car (for the second time). As you may recall, the bottom end of the engine (original--not modified) gave out after only several hours of use with the Danielson head kit.

    The idle is the best part... the cam apparently has a fairly wild profile. When idling at factory spec 900 RPM, the exhaust (which has no muffler) has a very lopey, throaty sound which is just perfect for this car. You can hear the turbocharger whistling slightly from the exhaust tip. The car itself looks so innocent--its a dark gray 505 sedan with stock bodywork (front air dam, rear lip spoiler, wheels, etc.).

    We plan to run about 17 psi of boost (stock is 11.5). Injectors are already upgraded and ready for the task. One limiting factor for boost is turbocharger durability. We are still using the stock Garrett TB0346 and I don't think this unit can provide much more than 20 psi at high RPM on a stock motor... 17 psi (about 1.15 bar) is similar to other Danielson production cars and it sounds like a good safe number anyway. Someday the car may recieve a modified hybrid unit of some sort. No one makes turbo kits for these cars... go figure

    -Joe</STRONG>
    Joe, that sounds cool! But who is Danielson?,
    Also, is it a 505 that originally had a Turbo, they never came here to Oz, were out in Europe though.
    Wouldn't mind a turbo for my 505 actually.
    Got any pics

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    This car is a 505 Turbo (N9TEA engine) which were distributed through Europe (excluding the UK) and North America. Here in America we got versions similar but not as bad-ass as the European market. All of them feature Bosch LU Jetronic injection (w/ O2 sensor and catalytic converter) and various versions of the Bosch EZ200K mapped ignition system.

    US spec Turbos:

    1985 sedan
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    N9T non-intercooled 600 mBar boost
    Oil cooled turbocharger
    7.0:1 compression
    142 bhp @ 5600 RPM
    164 lbs/ft @ 3800 RPM

    1986-1987 sedan and 1986-1988 wagon
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    N9TE intercooled 620 mBar boost
    Water cooled turbocharger
    7.5:1 compression
    150 bhp @ 5000 RPM
    181 lbs/ft @ 2750-3000 RPM

    1988-1989 sedan
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    N9TEA intercooled with electronic boost control 780 mBar boost
    Water cooled turbocharger
    7.5:1 compression
    180 bhp @ 5200 RPM
    210 lbs/ft @ 2500-4800 RPM

    1989-1991 wagon
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    N9TEA intercooled with electronic boost control 780 mBar boost
    Water cooled turbocharger
    7.5:1 compression
    160 bhp @ 5200 RPM
    205 lbs/ft @ 2500-4500 RPM
    (wagons had a different ignition EPROM and more restrictive exhaust)

    Danielson (in France) is an aftermarket tuner for Peugeot with a strong focus on the Turbo models. Politecnic is also a tuner and their website still shows the 505 Turbo catalog. http://www.politecnic.com

    The cylinder head kit we obtained from Danielson included a modified factory head with repositioned spark plug holes, a reground cam, a recalibrated wastegate actuator, a new fuel pressure regulator, and a plethora of other bits and pieces.

    You can see one incredibly carefully tuned US spec 1989 505 Turbo at http://warzone.org/videos. This car is 110% stock, honest. It is just precisely tuned by-the-book. The 405 Mi16 in the videos is also bone-stock except we had removed the rear muffler (the car had just returned from a weekend at the track).

    No videos of the Danielson machine yet...

    Enjoy!

    -Joe

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    Okay, we now have a sound bite from the Danielson car... using the same cheezy mic. But this will give an idea of how fast this puppy really is. We started at about 50 MPH in 3rd gear and wound it up to the 6500 RPM limiter (about 98 MPH) then shifted to 4th and took it up to the limiter again (about 142 MPH). We got into fifth and took it higher--but that part of the audio was screwed up... Enjoy!
    http://warzone.org/sounds/danielson-50to142.mp3

    -Joe

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    Almost 230km/h in a 505?

    Alright

    Now if only they sold the turbos in Aus....
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    Last edited by DTwo; 22nd August 2011 at 02:00 AM.

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    ...the government wouldn't have had a deficit any year since!

    What with extra duties on the naturally inflated price it would have sold for, the demand for the thing, and....

    ....speeding fines!

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    Hi,

    where abouts did you have the mic?? Sounds a bit quicker than the CX turbo as those speeds, the turbo definatly whines considerably more. It'd be intersting to see/hear that thing and a CX machonics turbo head to head (sounds like the 'danielson' is the equivelant the the 'machonics' conversion).

    The base machonics is just a wastegate upgrade & updated injections settings for more juice @ higher revs. Just this stage I conversion is good for 250hp. I think you can go upto stage III conversion wich give 400+ hp. That's gotta effect the reliablity of the car though. The stage one conversion is supposed to be as bullet proof as the standard model and frightenly quick

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    We had the mic secured (somewhat) directly behind the intercooler next to the firewall.

    True the turbocharger is making a great deal of noise compared to stock... we're squeezing about 1.15 bar from it whereas stock it does only 0.8 bar.

    -Joe

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