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    gidday all!

    hmmm, i need another project lol........but thats not the point....

    has anyone seen any of the more unusual pugs around at all?

    D3A mini van?
    203/403/304/404/504 convertable?
    203/403/304/404/504 utes?
    504 dangel 4x4's?

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    just wondering if there are any in australia thats all, and if anyone has experianced them....just basicly interested in hearing about them.

    anyway.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971504sedan
    gidday all!

    hmmm, i need another project lol........but thats not the point....

    has anyone seen any of the more unusual pugs around at all?

    D3A mini van?
    203/403/304/404/504 convertable?
    203/403/304/404/504 utes?
    504 dangel 4x4's?

    just wondering if there are any in australia thats all, and if anyone has experianced them....just basicly interested in hearing about them.

    anyway.......
    there was a 304 that sold on this forum not to long ago, i knew of the location of i believe a 404 ute but its not for sale, there has been a couple of 203 utes sold through the trading post in recent years and ... ummm... i have one of the more unusual 205's being a 4 door. I don't beleive there is any dangels in australia, though it wouldn't be imposible to import a probably rusted out right hand drive one, that said you could probably bolt a 504 body onto one. there was a thread a while ago about it, do a search and i'm sure you can find more information
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971504sedan
    gidday all!

    hmmm, i need another project lol........but thats not the point....

    has anyone seen any of the more unusual pugs around at all?

    D3A mini van?
    203/403/304/404/504 convertable?
    203/403/304/404/504 utes?
    504 dangel 4x4's?

    just wondering if there are any in australia thats all, and if anyone has experianced them....just basicly interested in hearing about them.

    anyway.......

    D3A - 403 powered van - i haven't sween one in this country but i have seen them overseas

    203 convertables - there are a couple around in this country
    403 " - i have seen one in the flesh in this country
    404 " - i know of one in this country
    504 " - there are quite a few around but getting one for the right price is the obstacle

    as for utes there are a few 203/403 utes around but there are more 404 utes than 203/403 put together and i don't think there was ever a 304 ute made

    504 utes - read above about 504 cab's

    504 dangels - none that i know of out here

    your best bet would be to find a ute and your chances of getting a 404 ute over the rest are a lot better but beware they can be very truck like to drive
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    I know where there is a 203 ute that has rusted in half but is probably not for sale, and I know where there is a 404 ute that is not for sale, but I was thinking of buying a 404 ute a few years ago. It was $800 and was in pretty good order and unregistered. I ended up getting a 404 sedan instead.
    You will have a very hard time getting any cabrio or coupe.
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    There was a Victorian 204 Cabrio in the GP rally going back to the early 1990's, also there was a 304 cabrio at the Canberra FCD back in 1998, 203 Cabrio seen at the 1994 Vic FCD, and 404 Cabrio seen at an SA FCD, 504 Coupe also in Adelaide, and I've also heard there is a 504 V6 cabrio somewhere in AUS.

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    a couple pictures of a 202 i thoguht theyd suit this thread


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    hmmmm, so it looks like utes are the go then aye,........

    The thought of a 504 v6 cab' is interesting, lol, but i have 2 chances, bucklys and none....lol

    im pulled more towards a convertable, of any model, but they seem to be harder to get?!?!?!?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971504sedan
    hmmmm, so it looks like utes are the go then aye,........

    The thought of a 504 v6 cab' is interesting, lol, but i have 2 chances, bucklys and none....lol

    im pulled more towards a convertable, of any model, but they seem to be harder to get?!?!?!?!?!?

    Can't help with a cabriolet as I sold my 404 a couple of years ago, but I do have a genuine RHD 404 coupe which I could be persuaded to sell. Only problem is that it is NZ.

    The cabriolet did not handle nicely at all, but the coupe drives very well.

    404 utes are actually quite fun to drive. Very undergeared, so top speed isn't great but accelleration from a standing start is good. Handling is better than a car as 404's generally are pigs when really pushing them. They roll like a ship at sea, and understeer which switched to vicious oversteer with little warning. The ute doesn't roll.

    For decent handling in an older Pug, you can't beat the old 203. All they need is a bit more grunt which can be done without too much trouble.

    Personally I would kill for a V6 504 - cabriolet or coupe.

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    kiwi03:

    My mechanic up here in Auckland (well, not so much a mechanic as an enthusiast) works on supposedly the only 504 Convertible in NZ, manual in red, imported by it's owners from South Africa. Unforuntately it has a 1971cc Kugelfischer motor not a V6.

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    It is a nice looking car, that 504 convertible. It was at the Ellerslie Concours this year. If i remember correctly, it was for sale at the time.
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    the 504 coupe is a great car, but it's problem is its very reminiscent of other pinafirina pend designs of the time. Most notably the 124. The 504 coupe in my opinon doesnt really stand out and say "peugeot" it may have been better off with just a pinafirina badge on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by orestes
    the 504 coupe is a great car, but it's problem is its very reminiscent of other pinafirina pend designs of the time. Most notably the 124. The 504 coupe in my opinon doesnt really stand out and say "peugeot" it may have been better off with just a pinafirina badge on it

    You could say that about basically any Peugeot Cabriolet after the 403, with the possible exception of the 304. They may not look like Peuegots, but they still have a look all of their own, and that was what appealed to me with 404 cab. and the coupe. You could park anywhere and immediately draw a crowd, and they would have no idea what they wee without checking the badge. And when you see a 504 they look nothing like the equivalent Fiat. The extra size makes it a more muscular looking beast.

    The 304 on the other hand looks very much like what you would expect a 504 with no roof to resemble.
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    http://www.pcug.org.au/~mcnamee/pac/...rts.htm....web page of peugeot ass of canberra for sale section, a couple of oldies there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by orestes
    the 504 coupe is a great car, but it's problem is its very reminiscent of other pinafirina pend designs of the time. Most notably the 124. The 504 coupe in my opinon doesnt really stand out and say "peugeot" it may have been better off with just a pinafirina badge on it

    pinifarina did that with anything he designed

    have a look at a fiat 2300 sedan then look at the coupe

    do the same thing for the fiat 130 sedan and coupe

    pininfarina designed everything from the 403 through to the 306/406
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi 03
    Can't help with a cabriolet as I sold my 404 a couple of years ago, but I do have a genuine RHD 404 coupe which I could be persuaded to sell. Only problem is that it is NZ.

    The cabriolet did not handle nicely at all, but the coupe drives very well.

    404 utes are actually quite fun to drive. Very undergeared, so top speed isn't great but accelleration from a standing start is good. Handling is better than a car as 404's generally are pigs when really pushing them. They roll like a ship at sea, and understeer which switched to vicious oversteer with little warning. The ute doesn't roll.

    For decent handling in an older Pug, you can't beat the old 203. All they need is a bit more grunt which can be done without too much trouble.

    Personally I would kill for a V6 504 - cabriolet or coupe.

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    hmmm, a 404 coupe would be very nice, i wonder whats involved in importing cars????........id have to admit that it would be out of my reach financially.............:-(

    do you have pics of it anyway??? itd still be interesting to see....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971504sedan
    hmmm, a 404 coupe would be very nice, i wonder whats involved in importing cars????........id have to admit that it would be out of my reach financially.............:-(

    do you have pics of it anyway??? itd still be interesting to see....

    Let me know your e-mail address and I willl scan and e-mail it to you. It is what you would describe as a mobile restoration project. Floor pan and upholstery have been done, but the body needs a bit of attention.

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    Members of this forum with such cars that I know about are:

    Owen Wuillemin - 504 ute with turbo diesel engine; 404 ute under reconstruction, 504 coupe with 4-cyl engine partly restored.

    Mike Tippett - 404 Coupe

    Phil Whitton - 404 ute

    As for the comment by Kiwi 03 about driving the 404 ute, the gearing would be fixed by installing a 504 wagon diff. And where did you find a 404 sedan that handled badly? I've driven maybe 50 of them and they were all great!

    I know where there's a 203 ute that you could make a project of... it wouldn't be real dear to buy, but would require a lot of work. It would be best done with later model running gear, methinks.

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    hmmm, i may have come across a 403 ute with lots of brand new spares..............so thats sounding interesting..

    a 203 ute would be very nice to see on the road again, and later model running gear would be easy, but, it wouldnt be a restoration then.....

    .........ohhhh ahhhhh a 504 coupe, they are very very very very nice cars....lol ...if i could get my hands on one of them...lol ah well......beggers cant be choosers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1971504sedan
    hmmm, i may have come across a 403 ute with lots of brand new spares..............so thats sounding interesting..

    a 203 ute would be very nice to see on the road again, and later model running gear would be easy, but, it wouldnt be a restoration then.....

    .........ohhhh ahhhhh a 504 coupe, they are very very very very nice cars....lol ...if i could get my hands on one of them...lol ah well......beggers cant be choosers.

    i hope you are no taller than about 5'6" as 203/403 utes are built for pigmies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Bell
    Members of this forum with such cars that I know about are:

    Owen Wuillemin - 504 ute with turbo diesel engine; 404 ute under reconstruction, 504 coupe with 4-cyl engine partly restored.

    Mike Tippett - 404 Coupe

    Phil Whitton - 404 ute

    As for the comment by Kiwi 03 about driving the 404 ute, the gearing would be fixed by installing a 504 wagon diff. And where did you find a 404 sedan that handled badly? I've driven maybe 50 of them and they were all great!

    I know where there's a 203 ute that you could make a project of... it wouldn't be real dear to buy, but would require a lot of work. It would be best done with later model running gear, methinks.

    Have owned/driven many 404's and I don't rate them. By far the worst rear wheel drive Pug handling-wise. Especially the cabriolet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugrambo
    i hope you are no taller than about 5'6" as 203/403 utes are built for pigmies
    Should try travelling in a 202 ute, it's like being a small mini

    The most unusual pugs I've seen would be a 403 with a Jaeger coupler and a 203 styleside(?) ute. One of the ute's converted from a panel van.

    The father-in-law has a 404 ute thats been made into an extra cab, with 504 seats in it.
    It's also got a 504 Ti motor, BA7/4 box with floor shift & a 505 LSD diff.

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    here is some shots from french car day in melb this year,the white cab is a 69 and the orange one is a 1970,lovely cars,the orange one was recently purchased by the guy there on the dat for around $40,000.if i had a spare 40,000 i couldnt think of a nicer way to spend it.==well maybe i could-BAZZ
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    Have a look at Ebay UK or France for some of the variations.

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    There are a few RHD 304 convertibles for sale in the UK. Not too expensive with the current exchange rates. Dont know what importing them would cost.
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    It is al little embarrasing to write this - I have a 1973 304S cabriolet and a 1970 504 cabriolet (1796cc), but they don't get out as much as they should - although I took the 304 on the run to the European car day at Newcastle NSW this year (there are a couple of pictures in the March (I think) issue of the Pugillist.

    Some day my wife is going to get her way and I will have to sell one or both of them, but until that happens, they are only for sale to someone who will poay a full price and who will look after them.

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    504 coupe and cab are up there with the 406 coupe as the best looking peugeots

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