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    Icon5 Newb alert - 206 GTI owners help!

    Hi People

    I'm on the market for a pug, never owned one before.

    Currently selling my 2000 mazda 323, has been a great car..only done some minor mods....but its no performance car by any means.

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    Its been about a year I've been trying to decide what next... the 206 GTI could be the very sucker. gone thru considering ignis sport (test drive was dissappointing), clio sport (heard some very bad stories from previous owners cum-mazda owners) pulsar gtir & 323 gtx (insurance is a joke)....the pug seems the hot hatch solution...so far

    checked out autoparis.com, has some hot kits and options...woah. quad throttle body kit to put it up to 190hp? anyone done this?!!!
    What are these guys like to deal with? I'm in brisbane, any there any peugeot specialists up here maybe?

    How do people like their pugs? can anyone offer any insight to choosing one / maintance / problems etc. I've heard people tell many a tale of gripe about french cars but really know little about owning 206 GTI

    Should I?


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    Clio* owners will disagree, but if you want a car that will bring a smile to your face after every drive .. that'll be the GTi (or GTi180). It's quick enough without being silly, corners as if on rails, good looking enough without attracting undue attention (think WRX) .. it has the best web forum in Aust (AussieFrogs of course ) and the best website www.206gti.net and I've basically yet to meet a pug driver that I wouldn't have a beer with (well maybe a couple, but we won't name names ).

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    I'd agree with everything that XTC had - This is the first car I've had that I havent wanted to go and put a big exhaust on or change the wheels etc etc. I just love it the way it is - everytime you take it for a drive it's really rewarding and always, always puts a smile on my face.

    Take one for a test drive on your favourite bit of road - it will transform it into an amazing experience! Like XTC said most of us GTi owners tend to be a good bunch of guys too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gti138
    I'd agree with everything that XTC had - This is the first car I've had that I havent wanted to go and put a big exhaust on or change the wheels etc etc.
    I agree they look the part in stock form....many owners in here mod theirs or not? Generally I havent seen many except for in that euro mag tuning.
    due to the fact theres only 1 pug dealer in brisbane I was worried it might be a pain to find kits & aftermarket parts like those autoparis guys have sorted....exactly the kind of effect I'm looking for!


    Quote Originally Posted by XTC206
    * Never liked the looks of the Clio .. it's a personal thing.
    I hear ya.


    Just wondering what service/parts costs are like, and have you found any common faults etc? btw I'm only on the market for a std GTI, the 180 is a bit out of $$ reach and perhaps not as pratical for me (fuel wise) as I travel around 2 hours everyday.


    ps - thanks for the warm welcome fellas

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    threes plenty of good Peugeot dealers in Queensland, personally though we like to deal with Cullens, (a Cullen and son) there in Nambour and probably the best Peugeot dealer to deal with in Queensland if not Australia, Gerry and the rest of the group there are switched on and are Peugeot enthusiasts at heart, i just wish they would stop selling Saabs. As for Peugeot performance in Queensland, the name batersby (sp?) always springs to mind, though Iím not sure what there up to with the more modern frogs, I know there good with most frogs however and specialize mostly in performance. As for the price of spare parts for a 206, i wouldn't have much of a clue, but if you source them from the right place i.e a mechanic thats not going to see a small european car as a cash cow i cant see them being any more expensive then there japanese counterparts
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    Dont know what your finances are like but if your talking quad throttle body upgrade etc you would be far better off just getting a 180 to begin with.If you want to keep a gti stock then fair enough.If your thinking engine work and rims and lowering it etc it will be cheaper in the long run to get a 180,and your resale will be alot better too and i think youd end up with a better sorted car.Only reason to get a gti if you want to mod it would be if your talking serious engine work,apparently its alot easier to turbo a gti than a 180 .

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    cheers orestes I'll check that mob out, I didnt know about them.

    Mandible I see what your saying....although my plan was to gradually modify the car, yeah no I dont have 10k for mods at my disposal but on the same token I've been checking out 2nd hand gtis for as low as $18.5k (with low k's, I was wondering what mustve been wrong with it!)....my guess is the quad throttle package would be around 4-5k maybe....turbos hmm I've never liked the idea of giving n/a's a sex change.

    to be honest I'd rather a unique slightly older one than fork out for a brand new. Yes call it the buy-the-2nd-hand car-and-do-it-up sydnrome!

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    thanks again, its all food for thought

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    i don't know if you know about this or not, but you may want to go for a premuxed 206 if you go for an older one. It will allow you more options as with regards to things such as replacing your head unit, and a lot of other stuff in it, that would require a lot more headaches otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stingray
    cheers orestes I'll check that mob out, I didnt know about them.

    Mandible I see what your saying....although my plan was to gradually modify the car, yeah no I dont have 10k for mods at my disposal but on the same token I've been checking out 2nd hand gtis for as low as $18.5k (with low k's, I was wondering what mustve been wrong with it!)....my guess is the quad throttle package would be around 4-5k maybe....turbos hmm I've never liked the idea of giving n/a's a sex change.

    to be honest I'd rather a unique slightly older one than fork out for a brand new. Yes call it the buy-the-2nd-hand car-and-do-it-up sydnrome!

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    thanks again, its all food for thought

    See what your saying,20k and slowly adding mods is alot different to 38k straight up. .Meant more for someone looking at a new gti.
    If your going for unique a turbo 206 would be hard to go past tho,would give it a different flavour to a 180 too.Getting quad throttle body/head work and leaving it NA is just basically building a 180.A sensible amount of boost would get you the same power for not alot more cash,and alot more potential if you want to take it futher later.Like orestes said an early pre mux 206 would be alot easier to tinker with no matter what you plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stingray
    .my guess is the quad throttle package would be around 4-5k maybe....turbos hmm I've never liked the idea of giving n/a's a sex change.
    TB's about $8k fully fitted (needs new piggy back ECU and all, and you might was well do exhaust as well) ... Talk to Paul from AutoParis (he's on the Yahoo 206GTi list), I could be wrong about the price. As for Turbo 206's .. well most of them blow up, that's why you don't see them. The 206WRC turbo was based on an older engine (similar to the Mi16).

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    8 grand......umm, ouch? Yeah I'm waiting on a reply from Paul, we'll see, but anything close to that figure is outta my league.
    turbos nope its just a matter of principal for me, i dont trust forced induction unless the motor & components were engineered to handle that kind of stress & pressure. need the money to back it up when the shit hits the fan too much risk & outlay IMHO.

    plan B port n polish...if anyone local does these...otherwise stick to the old zorst / air filter + cai / chip or R.R. fuel regulator combo.

    re this pre-muxed thing, ok this affect aftermarket audio wiring, anything else?


    cheers fellas

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    Quote Originally Posted by stingray
    re this pre-muxed thing, ok this affect aftermarket audio wiring, anything else?
    Multiplexing (muxing) affects everything, from the ability to tune your car to the ability to install an alarm/immobilizer or a car stereo. Someone will correct me if Iím wrong but with a multiplexed car, just about everything runs through your cars ECU. Where as a non multiplexed car runs things such as I have listed individually and more separately from the cars computer. Which in the end allows for easier modification of just about everything in your car

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    Quote Originally Posted by stingray
    8 grand......umm, ouch? Yeah I'm waiting on a reply from Paul, we'll see, but anything close to that figure is outta my league.
    turbos nope its just a matter of principal for me, i dont trust forced induction unless the motor & components were engineered to handle that kind of stress & pressure. need the money to back it up when the shit hits the fan too much risk & outlay IMHO.
    This is what im talking about.In both senses,a gti 180 is a bargain compared to modding a standard gti,and turbo is nothing you should be scared of.What your looking at for headwork/throttle bodies is definately in the ballpark for a _proper_ turbo conversion.8 grand will get you proper forged pistons/lower compression etc and while the possibilty is there to wind it up and ,you could easily get 180/190 hp without blowing up your engine,at least afaik.The block with just a good head and porting/exhaust/ecu can do 180 hp,the gti180 proves that.The temptation is always there to wind the boost up,but then of course,the gearbox and the CV"s would probably crap out,if the engine doesnt first.But if you went the throttle body/head route,youd run into the same problems.I just meant a NA 206 putting out 180 hp with a expensive as **** throttle body kit will be no different than a 180,honestly,the 180 would probably still shit all over it because of its torque.

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    Your right there. but if I was to go the TB route there is no option to pump up the boost. Anyway.... CAN THAT IDEA!

    interesting discussion though
    when u put it that way, the 180 does seem a great bang for buck in comparison. then again, I wont be paying retail by any means.

    from what I have read though, the 180 more higher end than gti and lacks a little down low.... but then I've also heard once the engine wears in a little it comes alive a bit more.

    moving on, toning this down a tad - port n polish...anyone had this done or know competent workshops for pugs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandible5
    the same problems.I just meant a NA 206 putting out 180 hp with a expensive as **** throttle body kit will be no different than a 180,honestly,the 180 would probably still shit all over it because of its torque.
    Sorry actually no ....

    Longman's conversion - 230 Nm of torque at 5500rpm (203 Nm on tap at just 3500rpm) !! - 190bhp
    GTi180 202Nm of torque at 4750rpm - 180bhp

    I think the 180 would be "spanked" easily.

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    (OK guys before you get upset I know the 180 has better suspension amongst other things, but you have to admit those Longman figures look good !?!?!?)
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