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    Default Tyre time: 504/505

    I've finally managed to wear out the horrible Michelin Certis tyres on my 505 GR. Now I'm looking for something with much better grip. A friend with a 505 GTi has fitted Yokohama A539's to his car and they have performed really well.

    My question is about sizes. My car has the standard 504/505 GR 14x5.0" rims. When I first bought the car it had 185/80 tyres. I put 185/75 Michelin Certis on it. The Yokohama A539's only possible sizing for my wheels are: 185/65 R14 or 195/65 R14. Are both of these too extreme? I don't want to ruin the ride comfort or put any extra stress on suspension components by fitting smaller wheels.

    Should I forget about these tyres and get something else in the 185/70 or 195/70 size? They all seem to be 'economy' or 'comfort' tyres, which don't really suit my driving style.

    I know that I should look for bigger (or at least wider) rims, but that isn't financially viable unless someone wants to give away some 15" steel wheels

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    185/65 R14 or 195/65 R14. Are both of these too extreme?
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    If its between those two definetly go the 185/65 NOT the 195. They (the 195) will probably fowl the struts on the front (i assume we're talking fronts here).

    I had 195/75 R14 and they were too wide and rubbed on the struts. This was using the STi/GTi negative camber and normal struts.

    A539 mmmmmm........ if only I really should scrounge up for some eventually.

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    Thanks for the tip on the 195'. I thought they would be risky.

    So is a 185/65 too small for the 505? I think they shipped from the factory with either 175/80 or 185/80 tyres. It is a pretty big difference going down to a 65 profile. It is annoying that 15" rims are so hard to find and expensive when you do!


    So what do people think? 185/65 R14 A539's, or get something in the 185/70 or 185/75 range? My main concern is most high profile tyres tend to be cheap and have poor grip. I tend to push my 505 pretty hard (thanks to the rebuilt suspension), so need tyres that won't let me down. And I'd like something that has even a little grip in the wet, something Certis' certainly don't have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crosspug
    Nick,

    If its between those two definetly go the 185/65 NOT the 195. They (the 195) will probably fowl the struts on the front (i assume we're talking fronts here).

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    They will not fowl with the right rims. My 20mm offset 14x6 inch Amils with 195/65 A539s do not fowl with the negative camber struts.

    With positive camber struts 5.5" dunlops or 604 rims should work OK.

    The A539s give a very good ride. They are not harsh on the suspension components. Quite the contrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    So what do people think? 185/65 R14 A539's, or get something in the 185/70 or 185/75 range?
    185/65 14" are too small a diameter to be legal in some states (must be within 15mm of a stock tyre diameter, i.e. in the case of a 505 not less than 15mm under 195/60 15", 615mm-15mm = 600mm, and not more than 15mm over 185/80 14", 651mm+15mm =666mm).

    195/65 is OK (609mm), but you'll need some other rims. That diameter will look funny with GR springs, but is OK with GTI springs.

    195/70 is better for GR springs.

    185/75 is the only thing which is legal both in diameter and width which will fit the 5 inch rims. You have no other choice but 185/75 if you have 5 inch rims. In that size either Bridgestones or BF Goodrich sport will be your safest bet.

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    There's the info I was after!

    Thanks Dave. Oh well, I'll do a final ring around the wreckers for wider rims. If not, then I'll look into the Bridgestones and BF's. Any preference with those? I want something with really good wet weather performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    There's the info I was after!

    Thanks Dave. Oh well, I'll do a final ring around the wreckers for wider rims. If not, then I'll look into the Bridgestones and BF's. Any preference with those? I want something with really good wet weather performance.
    I just got a set of Jap made Bridgestone ER-60's 2 days ago on my 528i (in 195/70R14H), at $100 a corner.
    Replaced a set of very ordinary Bridgestone SF-237s (which were V rated... ).
    They hung on really nicely on the Yarra Boulevarde yesterday. Haven't tried them on a wet road yet, but will take the scenic route into the city in about 45mins time...

    I asked about Yoko A539's, but they aren't available in 70profile and Beaurepaires and Bob-Jane seemed only interested in selling me Dunlop Daytona D70's and Yokohama S760's. The Bridgestone ER-60 seemed to be the only modern silica compound tyre available in 70 profile.
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    Dave, can I fit 185/70 R14 to my 14x5 steelies? These Bridgestones Jeremy is talking about are only available in 70 profile. If I get 75 profile I'm limited to the B249.

    I'm going to check out some pick a part type places over the next week to try and get some cheap wheels off someone who doesn't know the ridiculous prices Peugeot wreckers are asking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    Dave, can I fit 185/70 R14 to my 14x5 steelies? These Bridgestones Jeremy is talking about are only available in 70 profile. If I get 75 profile I'm limited to the B249.

    I'm going to check out some pick a part type places over the next week to try and get some cheap wheels off someone who doesn't know the ridiculous prices Peugeot wreckers are asking!
    185 70s are a very small tyre but will fit the rim OK.
    Get 195 70s and fit to 5.5 inch rims, SR and SLI have these and are quite common at the moment.
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    They will not fowl with the right rims. My 20mm offset 14x6 inch Amils with 195/65 A539s do not fowl with the negative camber struts.

    With positive camber struts 5.5" dunlops or 604 rims should work OK
    Glad someone here knows what they are talking about re 195's..... Sorry Nick

    Assumed that they were 5 inch wide wheels and have had problems before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    Thanks for the tip on the 195'. I thought they would be risky.

    So is a 185/65 too small for the 505? I think they shipped from the factory with either 175/80 or 185/80 tyres. It is a pretty big difference going down to a 65 profile. It is annoying that 15" rims are so hard to find and expensive when you do!


    So what do people think? 185/65 R14 A539's, or get something in the 185/70 or 185/75 range? My main concern is most high profile tyres tend to be cheap and have poor grip. I tend to push my 505 pretty hard (thanks to the rebuilt suspension), so need tyres that won't let me down. And I'd like something that has even a little grip in the wet, something Certis' certainly don't have.
    I got 195 on my 505 with no problem
    I got kelly tyres vey happy with them

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    I have Hankooks on the front and Bob Jane Allrounders on the Back.

    195/75 on chevoit rims, no probs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    Dave, can I fit 185/70 R14 to my 14x5 steelies? These Bridgestones Jeremy is talking about are only available in 70 profile. If I get 75 profile I'm limited to the B249.

    I'm going to check out some pick a part type places over the next week to try and get some cheap wheels off someone who doesn't know the ridiculous prices Peugeot wreckers are asking!

    Hi,
    try pick,pay n Go on heatherdale rd Vermont. I think there was a 505 Gti there a while back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Shearer
    Hi,
    try pick,pay n Go on heatherdale rd Vermont. I think there was a 505 Gti there a while back.

    Dave
    Not at the moment, I was there this week. There is an SR wagon, and another at Pick a Part Kilsyth, don't know if the wheels are still there, however.
    There is an SLI wagon at Centre rd wreckers, the two front wheels are there and maybe the spare. Centre road wreckers also has an early 505 with BA10/5 and a big bore engine pipe, the manifold has already gone.
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    there is also a 604 that was mentioned at bordertown wreckers (or something like that) as well

    that will have 5.5" rims on it

    we run 215/65/14 on 6" alloys here without any dramas (604 standard was 175/70/14 )
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    goodyear ducaros are on special at Kmart for the next 2 weeks at $123 for 185/65/14 or $125 for 195/65/14

    i have driven on these tyres too bad and they wouldn't be a bad tyre for a 505

    worth looking into anyway i reckon
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    I went to the Centre Rd wreckers today and they still had the two GR sedans, one with its wheels (in poor condition). They also had the STi sedan with all TRX alloys. The SLi wagon only had one wheel left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    Dave, can I fit 185/70 R14 to my 14x5 steelies?
    Yeah you can on a 505. Again they will look funny with GR springs.

    I was thinking of the 504 when I said only 185/75 is legal (because 504 sedans only ever had tyres with an outside diameter of 635mm in Australia, so you have to stay between 620 and 650mm).

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    Ok, well I think I shall do everything I can to find some 14x5.5 or larger wheels before I think about tyres. I can survive a bit longer on these. So, once I have the larger rims, I'll get the Bridgestone 195/70R14 tyres Jeremy got for his BMW.

    Cheers all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nJm
    Ok, well I think I shall do everything I can to find some 14x5.5 or larger wheels before I think about tyres. I can survive a bit longer on these. So, once I have the larger rims, I'll get the Bridgestone 195/70R14 tyres Jeremy got for his BMW.

    Cheers all!
    That's the right decision, I'll let you know if I come across any rims.
    Did you get the single rim from Centre Road?
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    No, I didn't.

    They did mention they were getting a '1984 multipoint injection 505' sometime in the next week, so I'll go back then.
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    Nick, promise me when you get your tyres you come for the drive in oct

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    Nick, depending on a few things we MAY have a set of wheels that would be wider and MAY suit your 505 near here, we have 3 504's(not sure on the sizes of steelies for 504's) wrecks here and a 505(which was a manual SR or GR, im not sure anymore. either way it probably has the same sized rims), Iím not sure on the condition of the rims on the 505 as the rusted out chassis has been pushed into somewhere more suitable with a backhoe. If you would like I can give you am e-mail address, to get in contact with my dad about this as they are on his property, this is in Queensland however so it may not suit you but if you would like I can give you a contact e-mail address and you can sort out a price with him. But as stated again we live in Queensland and freight would be a big issue, and therefore on top of pricing it may not suit you. I am also not sure if he would like to sell parts, as there is a tendancy to keep spare parts here for us for any ocasionm but it would be worth the ask and would be up to you to negotiate something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orestes
    Nick, depending on a few things we MAY have a set of wheels that would be wider and MAY suit your 505 near here, we have 3 504's(not sure on the sizes of steelies for 504's) wrecks here and a 505(which was a manual SR or GR, im not sure anymore. either way it probably has the same sized rims), Iím not sure on the condition of the rims on the 505 as the rusted out chassis has been pushed into somewhere more suitable with a backhoe. If you would like I can give you am e-mail address, to get in contact with my dad about this as they are on his property, this is in Queensland however so it may not suit you but if you would like I can give you a contact e-mail address and you can sort out a price with him. But as stated again we live in Queensland and freight would be a big issue, and therefore on top of pricing it may not suit you. I am also not sure if he would like to sell parts, as there is a tendancy to keep spare parts here for us for any ocasionm but it would be worth the ask and would be up to you to negotiate something.

    Orestes, the 504 rims will be 5 inch, unless the 505 has power steering they will also be 5 inch.
    A 1984 Multi Point sounds like another STI, but you never know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS
    Orestes, the 504 rims will be 5 inch, unless the 505 has power steering they will also be 5 inch.
    A 1984 Multi Point sounds like another STI, but you never know!
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    thanks for the clarification

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